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smackeddog
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3/5/2014  9:52 AM
So here's the list, which would you like the Knicks to target? Feel free to assume whatever you like about whether Melo is around or not!:


Point Guards
J.J. Barea (31)
Will Bynum (32)
Isaiah Canaan (24) (N)
Norris Cole (27) (R)
Goran Dragic (29) – $7.5MM player option
Raymond Felton (31) – $3.95MM player option
Diante Garrett (27) (N)
Kyrie Irving (23) (R)
Reggie Jackson (25) (R)
Cory Joseph (24) (R)
Brandon Knight (24) (R)
Jeremy Lin (27)
Ray McCallum (24) (N)
Kendall Marshall (24) (N)
Steve Nash (41)
Pablo Prigioni (38) (N)
Rajon Rondo (29)
Ricky Rubio (25) (R)
Kemba Walker (25) (R)
C.J. Watson (31)
Nate Wolters (24) (N)

Shooting Guards
Arron Afflalo (30) – $7.94MM player option
Marco Belinelli (29)
Alec Burks (24) (R)
Allen Crabbe (23) (N)
Mike Dunleavy Jr. (35)
Wayne Ellington (28)
Monta Ellis (30) – $8.72MM player option
Carrick Felix (25) (N)
Jamaal Franklin (24) (N)
Manu Ginobili (38)
Eric Gordon (27) – $15.51MM player option
Danny Green (28)
Gerald Henderson (28) – $6MM player option
Ricky Ledo (23) (N)
Wesley Matthews (29)
Gary Neal (31)
Iman Shumpert (25) (R)
Alexey Shved (27) (R)
J.R. Smith (30) – $6.4MM player option
Jason Terry (38)
Klay Thompson (25) (R)
Marcus Thornton (28)
Elliot Williams (26) (N)
Louis Williams (29)

Small Forwards
Matt Barnes (35) (N)
Corey Brewer (29) – $4.91MM player option
Chase Budinger (27) – $5MM player option
Jimmy Butler (26) (R)
Wilson Chandler (28) (N)
Victor Claver (27) (R)
Chris Copeland (31) (R)
Gigi Datome (28) (R)
Carlos Delfino (33) (N)
Jared Dudley (30) – $4.25MM player option
Jeremy Evans (28)
Landry Fields (27)
Gerald Green (29)
Jeff Green (29) – $9.2MM player option
Jordan Hamilton (25) (R)
Tobias Harris (23) (R)
Kawhi Leonard (24) (R)
Luc Mbah a Moute (29)
Travis Outlaw (31)
Tayshaun Prince (35)
Kyle Singler (27) (R)
Dorell Wright (30)

Power Forwards
LaMarcus Aldridge (30)
Luke Babbitt (26)
Brandon Bass (30)
Carlos Boozer (34)
DeMarre Carroll (29)
Nick Collison (35)
Glen Davis (29)
Reggie Evans (35)
Kenneth Faried (26) (R)
Joel Freeland (28) (R)
Kevin Garnett (39)
Chuck Hayes (32)
Kevin Love (27) – $16.74MM player option
Paul Millsap (30)
Tony Mitchell (23) (N)
Marcus Morris (26) (R)
Markieff Morris (26) (R)
Jeff Pendergraph (28)
Anthony Randolph (26)
Luis Scola (35)
Marreese Speights (28) – $3.82MM team option
Mirza Teletovic (30) (R)
Tristan Thompson (24) (R)
David West (35) – $12.6MM player option
Derrick Williams (24) (R)
Brandan Wright (28)
Thaddeus Young (27) – $9.97MM player option

Centers
Alexis Ajinca (27)
Omer Asik (29)
Bismack Biyombo (23) (R)
Tyson Chandler (33)
Vitor Faverani (27) (N)
Marc Gasol (30)
Brendan Haywood (36) (N)
Roy Hibbert (29) – $15.51MM player option
Al Jefferson (30) – $13.83MM player option
DeAndre Jordan (27)
Enes Kanter (23) (R)
Ognjen Kuzmic (25) (R)
Brook Lopez (27) – $16.74MM player option
Robin Lopez (27)
Timofey Mozgov (29) – $4.95MM team option
Kendrick Perkins (31)
Miroslav Raduljica (27) (N)
Ronny Turiaf (32)
Jeremy Tyler (24) (N)
Nikola Vucevic (25) (R)

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3/5/2014  10:01 AM

I know a lot of you are going to say Felton and Landry Fields, but here are the players I like. I'd target players on the bubble who's teams might not be able to match:


Point Guards

Isaiah Canaan (24) (N)
Goran Dragic (29) – $7.5MM player option
Reggie Jackson (25) (R)
Jeremy Lin (27)

Shooting Guards:
Arron Afflalo (30) – $7.94MM player option
Danny Green (28)
Wesley Matthews (29)
(those three are nice two way players)

Klay Thompson (25) (R)
(I like his game a lot- a good traditional SG, doubt the Warriors let him go though)


Small Forwards
Jimmy Butler (26) (R)
Kawhi Leonard (24) (R)
(Doubt Spurs let Leonard walk, but there's a good chance the Bulls let Butler go depending on what they do this offseason)

Power Forwards:
Paul Millsap (30)
Marcus Morris (26) (R)
Markieff Morris (26) (R)
(those three because they always seem to have a big impact on the game, even if they don't have the most flashy stats)

Thaddeus Young (27) – $9.97MM player option


Centers
Omer Asik (29)

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3/5/2014  10:02 AM
What does "N" stand for? I am assuming "R" is restricted FA.
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3/5/2014  10:09 AM
lousy pickings... If Melo is here I guess split my money between Deandre Jordan and Rondo.
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3/5/2014  10:12 AM
Can't we just build through the draft for once?
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3/5/2014  10:17 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Can't we just build through the draft for once?

with only one pick - not likely!

While the pickings are slim - as long as we're prudent with the money, we could probably stock a nice team that could be competitive- even if we lose melo for nothing, and I think that is likely- or at least part of me hopes.

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3/5/2014  10:26 AM
I think we'll lock Felton up long-term before he hits free agency!
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3/5/2014  10:28 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Can't we just build through the draft for once?

there's no point in drafting talent if your teams culture sucks- we need some solid, hardworking, two way players in place to help any draft picks develop the right way.

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3/5/2014  10:30 AM
NYKBocker wrote:What does "N" stand for? I am assuming "R" is restricted FA.

I got the list from Hoops rumours:
http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2013/09/201516-nba-free-agents.html

Players whose 2015/16 contracts aren’t fully guaranteed are listed and marked with (N)
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3/5/2014  10:32 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:I think we'll lock Felton up long-term before he hits free agency!

We need to max him out due to the loyalty he showed by coming back to NY. Wait a minute, Dolan tried trading him at the deadline?! You mean players have to be loyal to Dolan, but he can do whatever he likes?! Yet he still seems to show righteous indignation?!

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3/5/2014  10:46 AM
I'd target Dragic and players to fill out the roster with Melo. After the Amare/Melo Meltdown, I don't think I'm on board with the two max guys plan. Get me a roster that's 8 deep and average to above average. So that has a chance of happening in 20 years
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3/5/2014  10:52 AM
Asik stands out to me at center.

The knicks need to Get One of those point guards though. Kemba is a hometown kid with hometown skills so I would target him. Of course Kyrie and Reggie Jackson would be nice too. Knicks need one of them in 2015. Everything else depends on what we wanna do

we can't waste money on a center. We need to invest in a small fwd if Melo leaves. We need to establish Jeremy Tyler and Thjr to see if they will be starters for us.

We in the worst spot now but we could rebuild really fast starting this offeason.

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3/5/2014  11:23 AM
Actually, it's not a bad list. You just have to figure out what kind of team you want to be. Say Mark Jackson is fired or you entice JVG to come back, then you would have to but the groceries according to your cook. Let's say Melo butt****s Dolan and leaves without compensation, then we have the following still in our roster.

JR Smith, Felton, Pablo, THJr. Shump has a qualifying offer. JR and Felton have player options and I doubt they excercise them so we are stuck with them. Shump is not that expensive so I would still roll with him $3.8M per year. That is a total of $17.8M+. The projected salary cap for 2015 is $75.7M as per Larry Coon. So that leaves us with $57.9M to play with. I am also only signing players on 1-3 year contracts. Nothing over 3 years except for 1 player...

For players that we still have here is what I would do with them...

JR Smith - Relegate this fool to the bench backing up both the 2 and 3 spot. I want him to increase his trade value for the trade deadline but make sure he is not a big cog in the rotation.

Felton - I don't want this fool getting in the rotation unless he loses at least 20lbs. He needs to show that he is in shape. If he gets in shape then he can compete for the 3rd string spot during pre-season.

Pablo - Old man can compete for the 3rd string PG spot.

Shump - I will make sure he focuses on his defense once again. Let the offense come to him. Accentuate his positives which is defense.

THJr - Need to work on defense. Hopefully he is up to the task. I am looking at him as the starting SG or backup SG.

Now the FAs.

For the PG spot, I want tempo and I want speed. I know I am a big Lin fan so everybody here already knows who I want.
Jeremy Lin - I am offering Lin a 3 year $18M contract. This is a similar contract that he received from the Rockets but at $6M per year. He will be our starting PG. This is both a basketball and business move. The buzz this will generate will distract from the fact that Melo left us for nothing.'7"
CJ Watson - We need a backup PG that knows his role. I would love Jarret Jack but he is not on this list. Offer him a 2 year contract for $4M.

SG spot I want a dead eye shooter that is long.
Danny Green - 6'6" and shoots .415 for his career behind the arc. This is the big pickup that I need to make sure happens. We might have to over pay a little to get his services. He is also in his prime as he will be 28 by 2015. He currently make $4M per year. I would offer him a similar contract that we offered Lin. 3 years at $18M.
We still have THJr, Shump and JR Smith here so I would offer another contract to another deadeye shooter.
Allen Crabbe - He is a very good shooter. I believe NBADraft.net said he was similar to Allan Houston in shooting. He is not getting any play at Portland right now so he might be available on the cheap. Offer him a 2 year $3M contract, a slight increase from his rookie contract.

SF Spot I want another shooter who is also long. I guess you are getting my plan by now.
Jared Dudley - 6'7" and can shoot the 3. He shoots the 3 with a .397 clip. He can really spread the floor. We would need to give him a similar contract that we gave Lin and Green. 3 years for $18M.
Wilson Chandler - I would get the Mayor for his defense and for depth. Offer him 2 years at $11M. This is a paycut for him but he will be 30 years old in 2015 and this should be a decent offer.

PF spot. This is where we need to win out. We need that rugged stretch 4 and luckily Love and Aldridge is available.
Kevin Love - I would offer him a 4 year contract with a player option in the 4th year for $80M. Not max but close enough.
LaMarcus Aldridge - I would offer a smilar contract if Love does not accept but at $2M less per year.
Luke Babbit - Need some depth at the 4 spot. He is a nice player. Offer him 2 year $3M contract.
Anthony Randolph - I would give him another try on a 1 year contract for $1.5M

C spot. I want a defensive specialist that rebounds.
Robin Lopez - His career RPG is not impressive but this year he is pulling down 8.8 per game. I am hoping this trend continues. I am offering him a 3 year $15M contract.
Jeremy Tyler - I like him. Seems like a good kid. Let's see what he has. Offer him a 2 year $4M contract.

That is $57M in new contracts per year. We are still not over the cap and it sets us up for minor tweaks in year 1 or 2 and then can retool again after year 3.

Here is our starting lineup

PG - Jeremy Lin
SG - Danny Green
SF - Jared Dudley
PF - Kevin Love or LaMarcus Aldridge
C - Robin Lopez

Bench - THJr, Shump, CJ Watson, Crabbe, The Mayor, Babbit, Randolph, Tyler, JR Smith, Pablo, Fatton

I can roll with that.

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3/5/2014  11:24 AM
I would target Rubio. He makes others better players.
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3/5/2014  11:25 AM
EnySpree wrote:Asik stands out to me at center.

The knicks need to Get One of those point guards though. Kemba is a hometown kid with hometown skills so I would target him. Of course Kyrie and Reggie Jackson would be nice too. Knicks need one of them in 2015. Everything else depends on what we wanna do

we can't waste money on a center. We need to invest in a small fwd if Melo leaves. We need to establish Jeremy Tyler and Thjr to see if they will be starters for us.

We in the worst spot now but we could rebuild really fast starting this offeason.

I like Asik also but he would cost a lot. He is also like Roberto Duran. He has hands of stone.

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3/5/2014  12:10 PM
NYKBocker wrote:Actually, it's not a bad list. You just have to figure out what kind of team you want to be. Say Mark Jackson is fired or you entice JVG to come back, then you would have to but the groceries according to your cook. Let's say Melo butt****s Dolan and leaves without compensation, then we have the following still in our roster.


Here is our starting lineup

PG - Jeremy Lin
SG - Danny Green
SF - Jared Dudley
PF - Kevin Love or LaMarcus Aldridge
C - Robin Lopez

Bench - THJr, Shump, CJ Watson, Crabbe, The Mayor, Babbit, Randolph, Tyler, JR Smith, Pablo, Fatton

I can roll with that.

You saying that team can win a NBA Championship? I hope not!

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3/5/2014  12:18 PM
Too early to prognosticate.
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3/5/2014  12:19 PM
dragic
afflalo
kahwai leonard
aldridge
gasol
knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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3/5/2014  12:57 PM
dk7th wrote:dragic
afflalo
kahwai leonard
aldridge
gasol

Nice, but you've got 4 max contracts there man!

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3/5/2014  1:02 PM
smackeddog wrote:
dk7th wrote:dragic
afflalo
kahwai leonard
aldridge
gasol

Nice, but you've got 4 max contracts there man!

max contracts maybe. maybe not. these are the type of players i would want in new york if i am still a knick fan by then. i think they, unlike melo, are willing to sacrifice money for the chance to win a title. anyway it's a pipe dream until the league finds a way to discipline dolan.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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