Last season was an unexpected surprise until we got to the playoffs where the soft back bone of JR was exposed and Melo was exhausted.

Most of the faithful here reacts instead of anticipates.

Let me repeat "I'd like to think the idiocy........" That does not mean I am convinced as knick management historically is a baffling read.

Regarding the Nyets, its possible the arms race by the russian will win this battle and the insane roster they constructed might still click in a playoff run. They are completely out of their minds spending what they did but the talent is there where its not on the knicks. The funny thing is they look like a playoff type team. They have most problems with Running teams and we don't have those in the east.

While Anger is not beholding the knick faithful as a symptom its pretty evident that we got a big problem as the Melo era has been a failure on the court. IT was a success revenue wise so as fans don't be too caught up thinking the knicks are for the fans who don't buy tickets.

Don't get me wrong, this suck BTW. We have little to be excited about and if there is a plan it lacks draft picks. It involves cap space.

Change is coming, but how it comes we don't know. Lets not forget the meaning of the word "change" and "Improvement" do not say the same thing.

foosballnick wrote:Nalod - it is difficult to tell if Mills is being given marching orders not to make stupid moves or if he is paralyzed because he does not know what to do. Would think that given the roster deficiencies they would at least try to bring in some D League talent (especially at PG) to see what might stick for next year.....instead of bringing in retreads like Brown or stiffs like Clark.

Regarding the Nets...they have won the battle this year. But looking at their roster age, contract situation, salary cap and traded picks....they do not look to be set up to run a string of years together as an NBA contender....which they will need to do over a period of years in order to take away any significant part of the NY fanbase.

foosballnick wrote:Nalod - it is difficult to tell if Mills is being given marching orders not to make stupid moves or if he is paralyzed because he does not know what to do. Would think that given the roster deficiencies they would at least try to bring in some D League talent (especially at PG) to see what might stick for next year.....instead of bringing in retreads like Brown or stiffs like Clark.

Regarding the Nets...they have won the battle this year. But looking at their roster age, contract situation, salary cap and traded picks....they do not look to be set up to run a string of years together as an NBA contender....which they will need to do over a period of years in order to take away any significant part of the NY fanbase.

Don't get too caught up in the internet frustration chatter that has inflated D-league talent. Sure the MIGHT be LinSanity hidden there but its few and far between, plus the unspoken rule that you play contract players especially when they came over as free agents. We made a promise to Pablo but the reality is he should have been traded to a contender or released. 53 year olds don't do much for the future. Instead of developing yoot we uphold promise to Pablo.

Nets are a funny study. I don't like starphuch trades like they did with Boston but they are all in for "NOW" and thats their choice. They have the second best Euro prospect whom could be traded for a mid level first round pick, they have Plumlee who is legitimate prospect, they have Blatche's bird right rights, they got value for Terry the Jet, and the have Teleotovich. These are assets to play or trade. THis is what makes them interesting.

Garnett looks cooked and Pierce looks about what I expectd from him which is him being a solid pro blending in to a team not trying to be "the man". He is older and they all want that from Deron, who has failed to keep his ankles under him. Joe Johnson is very good player if you don't look at his contract.

The little I have seen of the nets is they just don't seem to have the "whose the man" pattern game to game due to the off season rebuild and mostly from Injuries.

Playoff time they should advance as only Indy and Miami are legit. The BUlls are the polar opposite of the nets as they are a solid well tuned unit of lessor talent. Thats a series I'd like to see. While some knick fans would enjoy a bulls win over the nyets I for one could never root for the Bulls over a NY team just because Im sour on my knicks and Nyets losing some how makes me feel better. I think Nyets still beat bulls, or Wiz, or Raptors, Or Clev, and bobcats.

Miami is another story and they are in over drive again with Wade getting stronger every week. The Nyets have the roster to give anyone a time in a series but it would be hard to predict a net victory over the current champ and a dude enroute to Mt Rushmore.

Indy is impressive enough and their body of work the last two seasons is impressive. More impressive then the Nyets and well coached. Jason might turn out to be a great coach but he's not there yet. I could not in good conscience ever say Nets could beat Indy but i'll root for a NY team to beat them before I'll root for Indy. I don't dislike them.

Personally I would not hate to see Lebron get his threepeat and then move on. His rings don't reduce Jordans greatness and quite frankly I like Lebron a lot better than Jordan. I respect Jordan, I just don't and ever liked his sociopath egocentric personality. His comercial image was brilliant!

Why? I like to see history made and when greatness is presented its to be taken in. So while I prefer to seem the kNicks win of course, and I'd like to see the Mecca celebrate an NBA championship (Nets in the mecca folks!), There is nothing wrong with seeing a dude get carved on MT rushmore and witness history.

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Nalod - it is difficult to tell if Mills is being given marching orders not to make stupid moves or if he is paralyzed because he does not know what to do. Would think that given the roster deficiencies they would at least try to bring in some D League talent (especially at PG) to see what might stick for next year.....instead of bringing in retreads like Brown or stiffs like Clark.

Regarding the Nets...they have won the battle this year. But looking at their roster age, contract situation, salary cap and traded picks....they do not look to be set up to run a string of years together as an NBA contender....which they will need to do over a period of years in order to take away any significant part of the NY fanbase.

There's a difference between taking away the fanbase and getting the next generation of NY basketball fans who are too young to have committed to a team. Imagine an uncommitted 10 year old sees the Knicks giving away the #5 pick to Denver while the Nets are in the playoffs and maybe win a round. Think about what will happen.

10 year olds don't know this about draft picks but what your right about is a whole generation, or two who only know the knicks as a bad team and don't take much to get a playoff buzz about if a team starts getting hot and attention. Nyets getting their but this is what the Russian was thinking when he epically blowing the salary cap away! He is imprinting the Nyet Brand while the Brooklyn BUzz is still there.

Dolan went all out last season to C.ock block their season and he did a pretty good job of it. Nets responded with the insane trade for the Pierce and Garnett and got AK to come but has yet to "gel" conclusively. They only just got to .500 but that is a very dangerous .500 team to meet in the playoffs. They are only 3.5 games back from the 3rd seed. If the season ended now they'd play Toronto. They could very well meet Chicago in the opening round. Like I said, bulls are over achieving but Nets are not a typical .500 team you want to meet in the first round.

Nalod wrote:

Rookie wrote:Considering MSG/Knicks are being evicted from their current location in 10 years, they should already be looking for and planing a new venue location. But since our owner is such a contrarian, I doubt they are doing that and could wind up playing at Barclays center after their lease expires. Beware all...the end is near, the Knicks apocalypse is coming. Mark your calendars.

Relax, the political landscape can change and MSG would be given proper time to build a new facility. The lease was not to be terminated, it was just 10 years and gives a new council the task of dealing with it. Dolan made foes when he blocked a domed stadium for manhattan.

The New York City Council notified the arena that it has 10 years to vacate its 45-year-old premises and find a new home, the Garden’s fifth since it opened in 1879.

By a vote of 47 to 1, the Council voted to extend the Garden’s special operating permit for merely a decade — not in perpetuity, as the owners of the Garden had requested, or 15 years, as the Bloomberg administration had intended.

Ten years should be enough time, officials said, for the Garden to find a new location and for the city to devise plans for an expanded Pennsylvania Station, which currently sits below the Garden, and the redevelopment of the surrounding neighborhood.

“This is the first step in finding a new home for Madison Square Garden and building a new Penn Station that is as great as New York and suitable for the 21st century,” said Christine C. Quinn, the City Council speaker. “This is an opportunity to reimagine and redevelop Penn Station as a world-class transportation destination.”

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Nalod - it is difficult to tell if Mills is being given marching orders not to make stupid moves or if he is paralyzed because he does not know what to do. Would think that given the roster deficiencies they would at least try to bring in some D League talent (especially at PG) to see what might stick for next year.....instead of bringing in retreads like Brown or stiffs like Clark.

Regarding the Nets...they have won the battle this year. But looking at their roster age, contract situation, salary cap and traded picks....they do not look to be set up to run a string of years together as an NBA contender....which they will need to do over a period of years in order to take away any significant part of the NY fanbase.

There's a difference between taking away the fanbase and getting the next generation of NY basketball fans who are too young to have committed to a team. Imagine an uncommitted 10 year old sees the Knicks giving away the #5 pick to Denver while the Nets are in the playoffs and maybe win a round. Think about what will happen.

Try Again.

Generally - 10 year olds are not thinking about if Denver has the #5 pick and who it is from. Most 10 year olds are not hanging out on message boards and quoting stats. They are actually playing hoops, or on their devices and playing Minecraft or Clash of Clans.

Rationally - the Knicks have a current majority of the NY Fan base. Consider that even with a mediocre or low level playoff team....MSG is packed and the TV Ratings are good. Fans in NYC and surrounding areas are hungry for the Knicks to be good and severely disappointed when they are not. Dolan as an owner is certainly frustrating and ratings are down this year because the team sucks. However it will take years of winning by the Nets, perhaps even a title or two ......... and not just one year and one playoff series win to capture the imagination of the next generation of kids. If the Heat retain Lebron long term and continue to win titles....they will capture the next generation of young Fans (even in NYC more than the Nets will).

jrodmc wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Nalod - it is difficult to tell if Mills is being given marching orders not to make stupid moves or if he is paralyzed because he does not know what to do. Would think that given the roster deficiencies they would at least try to bring in some D League talent (especially at PG) to see what might stick for next year.....instead of bringing in retreads like Brown or stiffs like Clark.

Regarding the Nets...they have won the battle this year. But looking at their roster age, contract situation, salary cap and traded picks....they do not look to be set up to run a string of years together as an NBA contender....which they will need to do over a period of years in order to take away any significant part of the NY fanbase.

There's a difference between taking away the fanbase and getting the next generation of NY basketball fans who are too young to have committed to a team. Imagine an uncommitted 10 year old sees the Knicks giving away the #5 pick to Denver while the Nets are in the playoffs and maybe win a round. Think about what will happen.

Try Again.

Generally - 10 year olds are not thinking about if Denver has the #5 pick and who it is from. Most 10 year olds are not hanging out on message boards and quoting stats. They are actually playing hoops, or on their devices and playing Minecraft or Clash of Clans.

Rationally - the Knicks have a current majority of the NY Fan base. Consider that even with a mediocre or low level playoff team....MSG is packed and the TV Ratings are good. Fans in NYC and surrounding areas are hungry for the Knicks to be good and severely disappointed when they are not. Dolan as an owner is certainly frustrating and ratings are down this year because the team sucks. However it will take years of winning by the Nets, perhaps even a title or two ......... and not just one year and one playoff series win to capture the imagination of the next generation of kids. If the Heat retain Lebron long term and continue to win titles....they will capture the next generation of young Fans (even in NYC more than the Nets will).

And don't forget the huge crowds that showed up to watch the Nets during the glorious JKidd era!

Same old line of crap about a third world little boy franchise trying to compete and out do the older brother.
Yankees/Mets, Giants/Jets, Knicks/Nets. Crap, at least the Mets and Jets have a REAL chip or two to look back on.

Bring me some more of this Nets shinola when you've won something. Anything. Until then, STFU. Maybe a move to Queens would be next...

Nets haven't been in the NBA as long as the Knicks but they have ABA championships two of them.

Vmart wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Nalod - it is difficult to tell if Mills is being given marching orders not to make stupid moves or if he is paralyzed because he does not know what to do. Would think that given the roster deficiencies they would at least try to bring in some D League talent (especially at PG) to see what might stick for next year.....instead of bringing in retreads like Brown or stiffs like Clark.

Regarding the Nets...they have won the battle this year. But looking at their roster age, contract situation, salary cap and traded picks....they do not look to be set up to run a string of years together as an NBA contender....which they will need to do over a period of years in order to take away any significant part of the NY fanbase.

There's a difference between taking away the fanbase and getting the next generation of NY basketball fans who are too young to have committed to a team. Imagine an uncommitted 10 year old sees the Knicks giving away the #5 pick to Denver while the Nets are in the playoffs and maybe win a round. Think about what will happen.

Try Again.

Generally - 10 year olds are not thinking about if Denver has the #5 pick and who it is from. Most 10 year olds are not hanging out on message boards and quoting stats. They are actually playing hoops, or on their devices and playing Minecraft or Clash of Clans.

Rationally - the Knicks have a current majority of the NY Fan base. Consider that even with a mediocre or low level playoff team....MSG is packed and the TV Ratings are good. Fans in NYC and surrounding areas are hungry for the Knicks to be good and severely disappointed when they are not. Dolan as an owner is certainly frustrating and ratings are down this year because the team sucks. However it will take years of winning by the Nets, perhaps even a title or two ......... and not just one year and one playoff series win to capture the imagination of the next generation of kids. If the Heat retain Lebron long term and continue to win titles....they will capture the next generation of young Fans (even in NYC more than the Nets will).

And don't forget the huge crowds that showed up to watch the Nets during the glorious JKidd era!

Same old line of crap about a third world little boy franchise trying to compete and out do the older brother.
Yankees/Mets, Giants/Jets, Knicks/Nets. Crap, at least the Mets and Jets have a REAL chip or two to look back on.

Bring me some more of this Nets shinola when you've won something. Anything. Until then, STFU. Maybe a move to Queens would be next...

Nets haven't been in the NBA as long as the Knicks but they have ABA championships two of them.

JROD meant "REAL" championships. Dr J don't count.