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BRIGGS
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3/2/2014  9:14 PM
My take on who is the best PG prospect from 25 down meaning no mock can have you pegged higher than 25

1. Delon Wright Utah 6-5 180

2. Shabazz Napier Uconn 6-1 190

3. Deonte Burton Nevada 6-1 200

4. Russ Smith Louisville 5-11 160

5. Kendall Williams New Mexico 6-3 190

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3/2/2014  9:57 PM
who goes undrafted? We'll probably pass on them & then trade Amar'e's contract for the Pelican's backcourt and ensure we're capped out for the next 4+ years!
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3/2/2014  10:13 PM
I really think the Knicks should take a look at Seth Curry or Jorge Gutierez. Both guys bring different things but both are high character kids with the talent to at least be role players in the nba. The knicks need to use the rest of this season to try and find a player or two to develop as they don't have picks at this point in this years draft. Other teams are starting to use the d league as a farm system/developmental system. The Knicks need to take that next step.
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3/2/2014  10:53 PM
I don't see a situation where they could get him, but I really like Napier's game. He does a little of everything. A pretty solid defender. Certainly better than anything our current PGs are bringing to the table.
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3/3/2014  12:08 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/3/2014  12:17 AM
I would like to grab one on that list

maybe take a chance on Charles Jenkins, Bobby Brown, or some vet min player that will likely slip *have a feeling it could be Jameer Nelson or JJ Barea*

and

either use the MLE for one or somehow trade for 1


In the end, we still need a new Head Coach, especially if we are looking to develop a PG
We need new fresh legs

Briggs out of all these candidates rank them

Sessions *I prefer Sessions, he has been under rated his entire career*
Bayless
Collison

Patty Mills
Mo Williams

Jameer Nelson
JJ Barea

Nate Robinson (player option)
Vasquez (RFA)

if Melo walks, would the 5m MLE be enough to attract Lowry? I think he is worth closer to 5-8m
I dont think teams will be willing to give him a multiyear deal at 9-10m, not with this CBA

If CA does walk and Lowry is resigned, test Toronto on Vasquez?

or

look to get 2 players? splitting it about 3m and 2m?

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3/3/2014  12:43 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/3/2014  1:00 AM
i think this draft is really deep and a lot of teams have multiple picks

I wonder if we can use the 3m in trades + future 1st rounder

to get back 1 late 1st rounder and 1 mid 2nd rounder

or

even 3 2nd round picks, one early, 1mid, 1 mid/late, or 2 early - mid 2rounders in this draft and one future 2nd rounder in another draft

vs how many picks we would be able to purchase with 3m and do we get to use it again AFTER the draft to buy the draft rights of another player

I really like Jordan Bachynski (projected late but would be very happy to select him in mid round, and a PG or even 2 in this draft
I am impressed with Delon Wright, seeing him develop to a Reggie Jackson/Lowry type pure PG with great size
If we can walk out of this draft with both those players, I would be very happy, though I think they will likely need at least 1year to fully be able to contribute in the NBA level to be a starter/solid backup type minutes

Burton's combination of athleticism/explosiveness/ability to penetrate and finish is very amazing for his size but i cannot tell if he can develop into a pure PG or Combo guard
If we walked out with 2 of the above and Jordan Bachynski I would be ecstatic, like 2 out of Delon Wright and /Burton/Rus Smith/Nappier
Have Pablo mentor them for 1 year and cut Pablo the following year in 2015 *hopefully he retires, possibly even getting injured and calls it a career next season

As for Felton, he is a backup scoring PG, wonder if we would consider buying him out, and he walks away without the last year's pay so it doesn't affect our cap for 2015
Even if he signs 2 years of vet min, it would make up for it, and he might even get a deal in the 2m range as a backup somewhere

I want to know what Sun's going to do with both Dragic and Bledsoe, will they really pay 2 PG's or will they look to trade one while they can get back very good value for them

What kind of players can we get with AB's expiring in addition to the 2018 pick, we know Rhondo will be in the rumors this summer, I personally don't think he is worth trading 2 1st rounders for with the lack of talent we have on our roster though, with his injury

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3/3/2014  3:28 AM
SwishAndDish13 wrote:I don't see a situation where they could get him, but I really like Napier's game. He does a little of everything. A pretty solid defender. Certainly better than anything our current PGs are bringing to the table.

Sometimes its hard for me to eval Napier because Ive seen everyone of his games for 4 years--so I know his flaws and strengths. I think the D J Augustine example is pretty much as close as it gets.

I have no idea if the Knicks will get a draft pick or even if they did use one on a PG. I do know that PG should be priority 1 to fix after addressing Melo. I think the way the NBA is now--Id play 3 PG's and carry 4. Obviously they can combo out to 2. What we could do is diversify the position--have atleast one player with speed and quickness who can get up and own another with good size another with a combination etc...

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3/3/2014  5:07 AM
We have a pick this year?
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3/3/2014  7:10 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/3/2014  7:13 AM
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed


There are many teams with multiple picks this summer, however, there are not many teams that have multiple 2nd rounders that would likely be shipping them out
We don't really have anything in terms of assets to acquire 1st round talent at this point
Not sure if teams would still pay a 1st rounder for Iman and Tyson Chandler (I think our best chance doing it before the trade deadline, selling OKC the idea of using Iman/Chandler vs D12 and Iman for many teams, however as we continue to lose, they look worse and worse, making their value drop more)

Our best chance I think is to trade with Houston, maybe buy one 2nd rounder from either Cleveland or Philly
For this draft and its depth from 30-55, I believe you can still get a player that can one day start or be a role players like a Sessions/Asik/Budinger/Korver type talent
So for that reason, I would consider trading our 2018, 2020, 2022 draft pick to get in this summers draft, along with our future 2nd rounders


OKC has 1st rounders, one from Dallas and one of their own
Would they take Iman and Chandler of us with expirings/scrap like Perkins/Thabeet/Collison/ and still a player or 2??
I think at this point, we would be lucky to get Dallas's 1st round pick and a future 2nd rounder for both players

If Melo does leave, I hope he goes to a team where we get something back
If it is a team that needs to trade for him, I am looking at 2 1st rounders and 1 2nd rounder
For a team that doesn't need to trade for him, I am thinking about 1 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder (though getting a 1st rounder in this draft isn't that bad if they don't NEED to do it)
IF Asik and Lin's contracts are 15m each (I am not even sure if it is 8 or 15m at this point), the stingy Darry Morrey still has all of Houston 1st round picks, and a many future 2nd rounders, 2 of which are ours for Camby, and the rest are in the following draft)

Our only other assets are JR Smith (not sure if teams would give a 1st rounder for JR till he shows the ability he had last season)
and Tim Hardaway JR, if a team is willing to buy high, I would consider moving him as well

We should just get teams to TALK to use, to see guage what our value of our roster is worth, which players they have interest in, and consider all options
Hopefully Melo gives Dolan an answer so we can know which route to go considering Dolan has made him a #1 priority since we acquired him
Rebuild or continue to starphuq...

I wonder if New Orleans would take Amare for Eric Gordon, Tyreke Evans, and Pierre Jackson without any picks, so they have the max money to go after FA's in 2015,
Holding Holiday, Anthony Davis, as their main core with Ryan Anderson and the development of Rivers

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3/3/2014  8:12 AM
our best chance to have gotten a pick in a trade was at the deadline. I see very little potential for us to get a pick before the draft- unless we're taking back an ugly contract, and then usually we're still the ones giving up the pick.
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3/4/2014  7:30 AM
Also wanted to add Deandre Kane--he is 24 yeas old-but he has a big physical body for a PG not overly athletic but hes a physical 6-4 210 built and plays a game kind of like Chauncey Billups--another guy you can probably get under 40.

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3/4/2014  8:31 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:I don't see a situation where they could get him, but I really like Napier's game. He does a little of everything. A pretty solid defender. Certainly better than anything our current PGs are bringing to the table.

Sometimes its hard for me to eval Napier because Ive seen everyone of his games for 4 years--so I know his flaws and strengths. I think the D J Augustine example is pretty much as close as it gets.

I have no idea if the Knicks will get a draft pick or even if they did use one on a PG. I do know that PG should be priority 1 to fix after addressing Melo. I think the way the NBA is now--Id play 3 PG's and carry 4. Obviously they can combo out to 2. What we could do is diversify the position--have atleast one player with speed and quickness who can get up and own another with good size another with a combination etc...

I originally wasn't sold on Napier, but watching him the last few weeks, I really like what he brings at the defensive end. He can get a bit wreckless off the dribble, but that is correctable. Thing is, I don't really see how he makes it out of the first round.

Totally agree with the assessment of the modern league. The Knicks front office must not have league pass or even cable for that matter. If they bothered to watch an out of market game at any point in the last decade they would've never assembled the roster this way.

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3/4/2014  9:33 AM
The next Carter Williams : DANTE EXUM !

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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3/4/2014  11:10 AM
playa2 wrote:The next Carter Williams : DANTE EXUM !

Well Denver will be using a lottery pick on a player like this in the top 7

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3/4/2014  1:05 PM
Mustafa Shakur Named D-League Player Of The Month For February
Mar 03, 2014 6:04 PM EST


Tulsa 66ers’ guard Mustafa Shakur has been named NBA Development League Player of the Month for games played in February.

Shakur (6-3, 190, Arizona) led Tulsa to a league-best 8-2 record, including a 5-1 record on the road and a five game winning streak following the All-Star break. He averaged 20.4 points on .462 shooting, to go along with 7.1 assists, 4.9 rebounds and 3.0 steals. His 30 steals in February were a league best. Shakur scored in double figures in all 10 games, including five games where he scored at least 20 points.

On Feb. 11, Shakur posted career highs with 32 points and 11 rebounds vs. the Iowa Energy. It was one of his four double-doubles for the month (three points-assists and one points-rebounds). On Feb. 8 and Feb. 21, Shakur recorded season-highs with 12 assists, in a 102-95 win over the Delaware 87ers and 144-120 victory over the Rio Grande Valley Vipers, respectively.

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3/4/2014  1:07 PM
blkexec wrote:Mustafa Shakur Named D-League Player Of The Month For February
Mar 03, 2014 6:04 PM EST


Tulsa 66ers’ guard Mustafa Shakur has been named NBA Development League Player of the Month for games played in February.

Shakur (6-3, 190, Arizona) led Tulsa to a league-best 8-2 record, including a 5-1 record on the road and a five game winning streak following the All-Star break. He averaged 20.4 points on .462 shooting, to go along with 7.1 assists, 4.9 rebounds and 3.0 steals. His 30 steals in February were a league best. Shakur scored in double figures in all 10 games, including five games where he scored at least 20 points.

On Feb. 11, Shakur posted career highs with 32 points and 11 rebounds vs. the Iowa Energy. It was one of his four double-doubles for the month (three points-assists and one points-rebounds). On Feb. 8 and Feb. 21, Shakur recorded season-highs with 12 assists, in a 102-95 win over the Delaware 87ers and 144-120 victory over the Rio Grande Valley Vipers, respectively.

I always stay on top of AZ news, and I thought he was a solid player in college....just needed to mature a little, as far as his PG game. Sounds like he would be a solid backup PG option...Still fairly young, entering his prime.

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3/4/2014  1:26 PM
the draft is a casino and the Knicks are locked out. As a result of missing on the million dollar poker tourney we are scratching off lottery tickets in the parking lot.

Looking at this draft an exercise in misery.

Are we trading Tyson for picks????

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3/4/2014  2:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/4/2014  3:15 PM
BRIGGS wrote:My take on who is the best PG prospect from 25 down meaning no mock can have you pegged higher than 25

1. Delon Wright Utah 6-5 180

2. Shabazz Napier Uconn 6-1 190

3. Deonte Burton Nevada 6-1 200

4. Russ Smith Louisville 5-11 160

5. Kendall Williams New Mexico 6-3 190

Definitely agree on Delon Wright. Caught the Utah/Arizona State game not too long ago and came away very impressed with Wright along with a few others on that Utah team -- Renan Lenz in particular (this guy's a very underrated big man with some good skills); also 6'6" Jordan Loveridge, Brandon Taylor (little dude, gotta be under 6' but he can really shoot---compliments Wright's game very well), Dallin Bachynski (Jordan's younger brother who may wind up being just as good if he got more time to prove it)...Wright's easily their best player though. This was the first time I saw him play and I liked what I saw A LOT.

Wright's really had an excellent year -- junior college transfer, 1st yr playing Div 1 ball. Look at these stats: In over 36 mins per, 16.4 ppg on over 60% from the field (incredible for a guard taking almost 10 shots per game), almost 80% at the line, 6.8 rebs, 5.3 assists, 2.4 steals, 1.4 blks, better than 2 to 1 assist/TO ratio (only 2.6 TOs). Real stat stuffer across the board. He's only shooting 25% from deep so the outside J still needs a little work (shooting technique looks sound, 3-ball just doesn't look to really be a big part of his game at this point---looks like he's at his best in the mid-range and taking the ball to the rim). He cleans up this area of his game to where he's up closer to 35%from 3, maybe puts a little more meat on his bones--watch out. So much to love here: good size at 6'5", skilled enough to run some point; the shooting %; the rebs, assists, blocks, steals, the fact that despite being their best player, he's not out there hogging the ball/taking too many shots (appears willing to share the wealth with his teammates)---all very impressive. Very rare combination of so many positives in one player. This kid impacts all phases of the game.

I'm not sure if he comes out this summer. He's a junior that has one more year of eligibility. My guess is he'll test the situation and then pull back if he doesn't get a guarantee high enough where it would be worthwhile. Also, the Utes look like a bubble team at this point. Big games coming up against Cal & Stanford. Was reading an article that said if they could get these next 2, that could be the difference in them getting in or not. If they get in and Utah (Wright) plays well, that could impact his draft stock/outlook in a big way. He's not being talked about enough...Would love to get this kid in a Knicks uniform somehow..

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3/4/2014  7:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/4/2014  7:42 PM
Finestrg wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:My take on who is the best PG prospect from 25 down meaning no mock can have you pegged higher than 25

1. Delon Wright Utah 6-5 180

2. Shabazz Napier Uconn 6-1 190

3. Deonte Burton Nevada 6-1 200

4. Russ Smith Louisville 5-11 160

5. Kendall Williams New Mexico 6-3 190

Definitely agree on Delon Wright. Caught the Utah/Arizona State game not too long ago and came away very impressed with Wright along with a few others on that Utah team -- Renan Lenz in particular (this guy's a very underrated big man with some good skills); also 6'6" Jordan Loveridge, Brandon Taylor (little dude, gotta be under 6' but he can really shoot---compliments Wright's game very well), Dallin Bachynski (Jordan's younger brother who may wind up being just as good if he got more time to prove it)...Wright's easily their best player though. This was the first time I saw him play and I liked what I saw A LOT.

Wright's really had an excellent year -- junior college transfer, 1st yr playing Div 1 ball. Look at these stats: In over 36 mins per, 16.4 ppg on over 60% from the field (incredible for a guard taking almost 10 shots per game), almost 80% at the line, 6.8 rebs, 5.3 assists, 2.4 steals, 1.4 blks, better than 2 to 1 assist/TO ratio (only 2.6 TOs). Real stat stuffer across the board. He's only shooting 25% from deep so the outside J still needs a little work (shooting technique looks sound, 3-ball just doesn't look to really be a big part of his game at this point---looks like he's at his best in the mid-range and taking the ball to the rim). He cleans up this area of his game to where he's up closer to 35%from 3, maybe puts a little more meat on his bones--watch out. So much to love here: good size at 6'5", skilled enough to run some point; the shooting %; the rebs, assists, blocks, steals, the fact that despite being their best player, he's not out there hogging the ball/taking too many shots (appears willing to share the wealth with his teammates)---all very impressive. Very rare combination of so many positives in one player. This kid impacts all phases of the game.

I'm not sure if he comes out this summer. He's a junior that has one more year of eligibility. My guess is he'll test the situation and then pull back if he doesn't get a guarantee high enough where it would be worthwhile. Also, the Utes look like a bubble team at this point. Big games coming up against Cal & Stanford. Was reading an article that said if they could get these next 2, that could be the difference in them getting in or not. If they get in and Utah (Wright) plays well, that could impact his draft stock/outlook in a big way. He's not being talked about enough...Would love to get this kid in a Knicks uniform somehow..


Totally agree with Wright, if he doesn't if he returns to college next year, he would certainly be worthy of our pick in 2015 summer
At this rate, all NBA teams will have 3 better NBA PG's than our starting PG

My suggestion is to lobby for a new coach, even though we only have the vet min the offer and 5m MLE (if Melo walks for nothing) or the 3m MLE, we could do what Laker's did this summer with limited salary
OFFER PT to play for a big stage, including starting roster spots

We have the least assets, draft picks, young players, and the least room for improvement in the entire NBA, all for STARPHUQING
Offer a 2018 1st rounder to a team like Suns one of the teams with many draft picks this summer, they don't need that many young players, possibly the 3m trade and get a 2nd rounder as well

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3/4/2014  7:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/4/2014  7:50 PM
Whatever we do--even if we lose Carmelo--the smart strategy is to get better at PG. The NBA is a faster game--you need good defense at the head. We can become faster quicker by aggressively addressing PG position. Does that mean going into the draft trade using the MLE--likely all of it. We still have bigs under contract next year---we need good PGs who can help run the team better--get guys better shots--score from that position and help the front of our D. We really need to take a hard look at each option. I like Patty Mills from SA--you get 1-2 guards out of the draft buying in and see if we can trade for another. Following year we can address bigger players through draft and free agency. If we start out by really putting time and effort into aggressively bringing in 3-4 PGs--make each one earn the PT ---platy 2 together like the Suns did this year--thats the fastest way to build a base for winning.

Notice Chicago after they got Augustine and rid themselves of Deng. Does anyone think Dolan wouldve just dumped a player like Deng. The guy doesnt understand basketball and doesnt listen to the guys who do in his organization. Maybe they should buy a monkey and a bag of darts.

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