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jazz74
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2/27/2014  8:23 PM
i was thinking since it looks bleaker each day for melo returning. starting to look like the marbury days. anyway, if he leaves, what is our best scenerio? we wont have a pick next year and its possible that denver will have a lottery pick from us this year. we will have our pick next year and we will be lottery if melo leaves. are there any impact players in next years draft? we can rebuild a whole team in 2015 but what will we do with no melo? thoughts?
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2/27/2014  8:46 PM
Have to hope that Dolan gets desperate enough to put in a legit GM to make sure 2015 is done right. Its the only way I see things looking up. I doubt Adam Silver is going to have the same talk as Stern did with Dolan.

Dolan is obsessed with controlling his image and how he is viewed, but whenever the ship looks like its being righted, he grabs the wheel and steers it in the opposite direction. Some day he might understand what he is doing, or even care.
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2/27/2014  8:54 PM
I think our best case for rebuilding the right way is Melo leaving this summer.

We should hopefully be bad enough to get a top talent - and I have the same question about talent coming out then (2015)

So, add a franchise talent from the draft, add a FA impact player(s) - don't spend money just to spend it- so if you can't add a real impact FA, don't max out a marginal talent.

And then, ideally I'd wish we had out pick the following year - but after 2015, I think we might be good enough to be competitive again.
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2/27/2014  9:01 PM
Nothing against Melo but its time for both sides to have a fresh start. Next year will be bad BT we do have a chance to have a solid 1st round pick. We also will ahev plenty of cap sace for the 2015 FA class
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2/27/2014  10:33 PM
Well, the worst case scenario still isn't any worse than things are now. So why worry?
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2/27/2014  10:41 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:Well, the worst case scenario still isn't any worse than things are now. So why worry?

See Isiah Thomas. Much worse than now. We are hitting a low for sure - but those days were darker.

"If at first you don't succeed, then maybe you just SUCK." Kenny Powers
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2/27/2014  10:48 PM
OasisBU wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Well, the worst case scenario still isn't any worse than things are now. So why worry?

See Isiah Thomas. Much worse than now. We are hitting a low for sure - but those days were darker.

things could get worse.

Max Melo out, trade some of our ending deals for maxed out marginal talents, move more draft picks.

Yes- it could be much, much worse.
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2/27/2014  10:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/27/2014  10:54 PM
franco12 wrote:
OasisBU wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Well, the worst case scenario still isn't any worse than things are now. So why worry?

See Isiah Thomas. Much worse than now. We are hitting a low for sure - but those days were darker.

things could get worse.

Max Melo out, trade some of our ending deals for maxed out marginal talents, move more draft picks.

Yes- it could be much, much worse.

We can't fear that or it will happen. You need to master your fear.

The Knicks will sign Melo for less, get a top draft pick in 2015, and a real coach. Nobody is beating the Heat, time to reload for when Lebron/Wade get old ( sarcasm ). Not a much better picture but whatever - Melo is leaving and we are screwed or he is staying for the max and we are.

"If at first you don't succeed, then maybe you just SUCK." Kenny Powers
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2/27/2014  10:54 PM
Amare decides he won't play for a garbage team and takes his ETO. Knicks move Chandler for a 1st...
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2/27/2014  11:22 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:Nothing against Melo but its time for both sides to have a fresh start. Next year will be bad BT we do have a chance to have a solid 1st round pick. We also will ahev plenty of cap sace for the 2015 FA class

i kind of agree with you. hey, i love melo and i think we will look back on this year a year from now and appreciate the player he is. but i cant see us winning with him now. i want him to succeed and win a chip, though. too bad its not with us.
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2/27/2014  11:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/27/2014  11:25 PM
franco12 wrote:I think our best case for rebuilding the right way is Melo leaving this summer.

We should hopefully be bad enough to get a top talent - and I have the same question about talent coming out then (2015)

So, add a franchise talent from the draft, add a FA impact player(s) - don't spend money just to spend it- so if you can't add a real impact FA, don't max out a marginal talent.

And then, ideally I'd wish we had out pick the following year - but after 2015, I think we might be good enough to be competitive again.


people are talking about the 2015 fa class but i only see love as a player who might be a franchise player ( and i have the feeling he will go to the lakers). i dont see rondo and aldridge as such. really, i would like us to try for 2016 and get irving. that is the talent we need to try for.
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2/27/2014  11:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/27/2014  11:32 PM
jazz74 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Nothing against Melo but its time for both sides to have a fresh start. Next year will be bad BT we do have a chance to have a solid 1st round pick. We also will ahev plenty of cap sace for the 2015 FA class

i kind of agree with you. hey, i love melo and i think we will look back on this year a year from now and appreciate the player he is. but i cant see us winning with him now. i want him to succeed and win a chip, though. too bad its not with us.

Although i like melo i do agree with many of his critics. he is a great scorer BUT he isnt a great all around player. He doesnt make the teama round him better like lebron and durant do.
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2/27/2014  11:38 PM
jazz74 wrote:
franco12 wrote:I think our best case for rebuilding the right way is Melo leaving this summer.

We should hopefully be bad enough to get a top talent - and I have the same question about talent coming out then (2015)

So, add a franchise talent from the draft, add a FA impact player(s) - don't spend money just to spend it- so if you can't add a real impact FA, don't max out a marginal talent.

And then, ideally I'd wish we had out pick the following year - but after 2015, I think we might be good enough to be competitive again.


people are talking about the 2015 fa class but i only see love as a player who might be a franchise player ( and i have the feeling he will go to the lakers). i dont see rondo and aldridge as such. really, i would like us to try for 2016 and get irving. that is the talent we need to try for.

I agree - don't spend just because we have the money/room available. If the marquee names don't make us better- aren't worth it- don't sign them and wait for the following year.
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2/28/2014  6:27 AM
franco12 wrote:
OasisBU wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Well, the worst case scenario still isn't any worse than things are now. So why worry?

See Isiah Thomas. Much worse than now. We are hitting a low for sure - but those days were darker.

things could get worse.

Max Melo out, trade some of our ending deals for maxed out marginal talents, move more draft picks.

Yes- it could be much, much worse.

To add to that. Trade more picks with Melo after he has micro fracture surgery from overuse in 4-5years. The New York knick way
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2/28/2014  6:35 AM
GustavBahler wrote:Have to hope that Dolan gets desperate enough to put in a legit GM to make sure 2015 is done right. Its the only way I see things looking up. I doubt Adam Silver is going to have the same talk as Stern did with Dolan.

Dolan is obsessed with controlling his image and how he is viewed, but whenever the ship looks like its being righted, he grabs the wheel and steers it in the opposite direction. Some day he might understand what he is doing, or even care.

Mills looked overwhelmed last night when they showed him on tv. I was glad that they showed him though as he has not addressed anything that is going on.
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2/28/2014  6:51 AM
franco12 wrote:
OasisBU wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Well, the worst case scenario still isn't any worse than things are now. So why worry?

See Isiah Thomas. Much worse than now. We are hitting a low for sure - but those days were darker.

things could get worse.

Max Melo out, trade some of our ending deals for maxed out marginal talents, move more draft picks.

Yes- it could be much, much worse.

That wouldn't be worse. It would be the same - .350 team, no picks, no cap space.
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2/28/2014  6:59 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Have to hope that Dolan gets desperate enough to put in a legit GM to make sure 2015 is done right. Its the only way I see things looking up. I doubt Adam Silver is going to have the same talk as Stern did with Dolan.

Dolan is obsessed with controlling his image and how he is viewed, but whenever the ship looks like its being righted, he grabs the wheel and steers it in the opposite direction. Some day he might understand what he is doing, or even care.

Mills looked overwhelmed last night when they showed him on tv. I was glad that they showed him though as he has not addressed anything that is going on.

It's a good thing he signed the immortal Shannon brown for our playoff push
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2/28/2014  7:06 AM
If he does leave, hope he is willing to work out a sign and trade to pity Dolan and the Knick's it wouldn't be much though
Similar to both Lebron and Bosh

1 1st round pick, hopefully 2, and maybe a 2nd round pick

If The Heat lose this year to Pacer's and the big 3 will be all opting out and willing to take less, adding Melo, they all would be in the range of 13-14m (with no state tax)
However, Heat doesn't have any draft selections that wold help us immediately, many other teams have more favorable draft picks

Dilute, Iman/Chandler, hopefully unloading Felton, for draft picks, 1 young player, and some draft picks

Add a GM, President of Operations, and an entire coaching staff (especially one that has the ability to develop and would be able to attract 2015 FAs)
No one is untouchable, I would look to build up JR's value, and continue the development of Tim Hardway/Tyler
Not sure if we can resign Earl Clark to a 1 year vet min or a 2 year deal, so in 2015 we have his early bird rights, if it is a 2 year deal, we would get his early bird rights after 2016 at a low salary


Look at Philly, they are purposely tanking with a lack of talent to make sure they will suck and get higher lottery picks, in addition to many YOUTH players to develop in low salary
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2/28/2014  7:11 AM
franco12 wrote:
jazz74 wrote:
franco12 wrote:I think our best case for rebuilding the right way is Melo leaving this summer.

We should hopefully be bad enough to get a top talent - and I have the same question about talent coming out then (2015)

So, add a franchise talent from the draft, add a FA impact player(s) - don't spend money just to spend it- so if you can't add a real impact FA, don't max out a marginal talent.

And then, ideally I'd wish we had out pick the following year - but after 2015, I think we might be good enough to be competitive again.


people are talking about the 2015 fa class but i only see love as a player who might be a franchise player ( and i have the feeling he will go to the lakers). i dont see rondo and aldridge as such. really, i would like us to try for 2016 and get irving. that is the talent we need to try for.

I agree - don't spend just because we have the money/room available. If the marquee names don't make us better- aren't worth it- don't sign them and wait for the following year.

I agree its also just as important to add complimentary talent. Its important to have a GM in place who knows how to bargain, so we dont overpay for fading stars, or the next Jerome James. Shows a little, gets paid alot
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2/28/2014  7:14 AM
RonRon wrote:If he does leave, hope he is willing to work out a sign and trade to pity Dolan and the Knick's it wouldn't be much though
Similar to both Lebron and Bosh

1 1st round pick, hopefully 2, and maybe a 2nd round pick

If The Heat lose this year to Pacer's and the big 3 will be all opting out and willing to take less, adding Melo, they all would be in the range of 13-14m (with no state tax)
However, Heat doesn't have any draft selections that wold help us immediately, many other teams have more favorable draft picks

Dilute, Iman/Chandler, hopefully unloading Felton, for draft picks, 1 young player, and some draft picks

Add a GM, President of Operations, and an entire coaching staff (especially one that has the ability to develop and would be able to attract 2015 FAs)
No one is untouchable, I would look to build up JR's value, and continue the development of Tim Hardway/Tyler
Not sure if we can resign Earl Clark to a 1 year vet min or a 2 year deal, so in 2015 we have his early bird rights, if it is a 2 year deal, we would get his early bird rights after 2016 at a low salary


Look at Philly, they are purposely tanking with a lack of talent to make sure they will suck and get higher lottery picks, in addition to many YOUTH players to develop in low salary

good strategy but we need to be careful. drafting with multiple first round picks isn't always going to work either. look at the kings. it must be a balance and have a gm who understands chemistry and modern day analytics. this is where the league is heading towards anyway. I also like boston's strategy dealing with the coach. if we are rebuilding for a two or three year plan, then get a young innovated coach who will teach and be patient with our young players. i dont want a big name coach right now. we can use that chip if we have to for the 2015 or 16 fa class. we can mold thj into a very good player ( I don't think he will be a star but on a bad team he can be the leading scorer). he will be the first complimentary piece. everyone else on the roster I consider dead weight and need to go ( except melo of course).
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