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Thinking outside the box..It's time for a plan to win a ring..
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holfresh
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2/22/2014  4:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2014  4:30 PM
I think we really need a legit GM in place...We need some unorthodox thinking to get where we need to go..A good young coach to implement this vision..But here is what I would do going forward...If we can't free up space until 2015, I'll pay Melo 30 mil next year on a 1 year deal and 16/17 per the next 3 to 4 years...Player option the last year...Have Melo recruit Lowry and sell him on winning a ring...Lowry takes the LLE, 3 mil next year, player option on the second year which he opts out, we bump him up to 10/11 mil per in 2015, if that's possible within the rules...It's a start with a decent foundation, maintain cap flexibility until another stud wants to join us for a run at a ring...We get a second look at Chandler to see if he wants to stay at a reduced rate or trade him pieces to fit the puzzle..The important thing here is we have a plan with flexibility where we don't have to make panic trades and lose draft picks in the process...We don't trade Shump for guys you can pick up off the streets...We need a GM and a plan...
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2/22/2014  4:36 PM
I agree about needing a gm and I think he should bring in his own coach. That being said I think the Grunwald firing and subsequent meddling with Woodson's team in so many different ways killed the season. I think Grunwald was a pretty progressive thinker and I liked how he looked globally and in the dl to find guys for a team without young guys or picks. I would love to see the Knicks bring in a young, up and coming coach. I mentioned Steve Hetzel as a coach that I think will make a big splash on the nba scene soon. He is only 33, has his team playing the best d in the d league, specializes in player development, has 8 years nba experience including starting his career with popovich etc. Probably won't happen but I think it is what needs to be done.
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2/22/2014  4:47 PM
The lowry plan is a dream that will never happen.

The goal should be to get a new coach to lay a foundation in for 14 and 15. The east will be bad next year too. So they can easily compete.

If Melo is still here, Instead of Love, Aldrich, and etc. I would look to trade for Afflalo type player. A wing that can play the 2/3 but have skills to be a spot up shooter and able to put the ball on the deck on offense then defend on D. With Melo playing the 4 the 3 man is guarded by the opposing 4 most night and they need someone who can take advantage of that match up. Gordan Heyward is an player having a down year that maybe looking to get out of Utah this summer but Utah more than likely give him a qualifying offer.

The rebuild should not be about stars but more about getting a team to go around a top 10 player in Melo to form a squad with the best 5-8 man unit every night.

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2/22/2014  4:52 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:The lowry plan is a dream that will never happen.

The goal should be to get a new coach to lay a foundation in for 14 and 15. The east will be bad next year too. So they can easily compete.

If Melo is still here, Instead of Love, Aldrich, and etc. I would look to trade for Afflalo type player. A wing that can play the 2/3 but have skills to be a spot up shooter and able to put the ball on the deck on offense then defend on D. With Melo playing the 4 the 3 man is guarded by the opposing 4 most night and they need someone who can take advantage of that match up. Gordan Heyward is an player having a down year that maybe looking to get out of Utah this summer but Utah more than likely give him a qualifying offer.

The rebuild should not be about stars but more about getting a team to go around a top 10 player in Melo to form a squad with the best 5-8 man unit every night.

Lowry is a dream but I think you need a PG to get others involved and you need another star to take the nightly pressure off Melo...Melo can't do 38/40 minutes alone the next 3 to 4 years...

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2/22/2014  5:24 PM
holfresh wrote:I think we really need a legit GM in place...We need some unorthodox thinking to get where we need to go..A good young coach to implement this vision..But here is what I would do going forward...If we can't free up space until 2015, I'll pay Melo 30 mil next year on a 1 year deal and 16/17 per the next 3 to 4 years...Player option the last year...Have Melo recruit Lowry and sell him on winning a ring...Lowry takes the LLE, 3 mil next year, player option on the second year which he opts out, we bump him up to 10/11 mil per in 2015, if that's possible within the rules...It's a start with a decent foundation, maintain cap flexibility until another stud wants to join us for a run at a ring...We get a second look at Chandler to see if he wants to stay at a reduced rate or trade him pieces to fit the puzzle..The important thing here is we have a plan with flexibility where we don't have to make panic trades and lose draft picks in the process...We don't trade Shump for guys you can pick up off the streets...We need a GM and a plan...

what gm will be willing to come here to be an employee of dolan? and what coach?

the league forced dolan to accept walsh and look how dolan treated him. and look how d'antoni and woodson are treated.

a day of reckoning is surely coming for dolan as the owner.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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2/22/2014  5:32 PM
holfresh wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:The lowry plan is a dream that will never happen.

The goal should be to get a new coach to lay a foundation in for 14 and 15. The east will be bad next year too. So they can easily compete.

If Melo is still here, Instead of Love, Aldrich, and etc. I would look to trade for Afflalo type player. A wing that can play the 2/3 but have skills to be a spot up shooter and able to put the ball on the deck on offense then defend on D. With Melo playing the 4 the 3 man is guarded by the opposing 4 most night and they need someone who can take advantage of that match up. Gordan Heyward is an player having a down year that maybe looking to get out of Utah this summer but Utah more than likely give him a qualifying offer.

The rebuild should not be about stars but more about getting a team to go around a top 10 player in Melo to form a squad with the best 5-8 man unit every night.

Lowry is a dream but I think you need a PG to get others involved and you need another star to take the nightly pressure off Melo...Melo can't do 38/40 minutes alone the next 3 to 4 years...

You don't need a star you need a good player that can occasionally play great but is consistently good. Give me a Chandler Parsons/Hedo type. The Pg options are not out there unless a team will take Chandler on and a 3way trade can happen. I still look toward Portland and OkC. Maybe try to get Thomas from Sacramento if you get a 1st and a few 2nd rd picks.

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2/22/2014  5:32 PM
Lowry and Lebron James is something we would need to add to our squad if we want to be contenders

Look at the Pacer's, they are 12man deep, you can't build around 1-2 players especially when they are 30+ not named Lebron

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2/22/2014  5:36 PM
Doing nothing at the deadline was probably the right move. Trading the spare parts for round 2 picks would have been nice but of negligible long-term consequence. The grief is overstated and the situation is actually better than large portions of the recent past and not out of standing with a significant portion of the league.

A) Maximizing next year's pick, B) Anthony's trade value and C) maintaining 2015-16 salary room are priorities. If Anthony leaves for nothing it helps A, if he re-signs it helps B.

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2/22/2014  5:37 PM
I would also look to Undrafted players or players around the DL/overseas who come form a winning culture. Continue to trust their scouting department but find some assistant coaches and a head coach that develops the talent. Hardaway, Shump, and Tyler must improve. Tyler needs to be a 5 and work the high screen and role but also learn how to play defense and protect the rim.
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2/22/2014  5:48 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:I would also look to Undrafted players or players around the DL/overseas who come form a winning culture. Continue to trust their scouting department but find some assistant coaches and a head coach that develops the talent. Hardaway, Shump, and Tyler must improve. Tyler needs to be a 5 and work the high screen and role but also learn how to play defense and protect the rim.

Agree. I really like Jorge guitierez at canton. Not sure if his play translates to the nba but he is a very good defensive player, PAC 12 defensive player of the year and first team defensive player in the d l last year, is decorated as a collegian and a pro, PAC 12 player of the year, honorable mention all American, rookie first team d l, has a ton of character and is a leader. Guys like curry, bost and Jackson are rated higher but don't have all of his intangibles. Also, I really like how the rockets and cavs are using the d league. The rockets have done a great job with Covington and Canaan. The cavs have set up a whole developmental program up at canton and in addition to sending their own guys down, develop and sign guys from the charge.
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2/22/2014  5:50 PM
Also guitierez has legitimate nba size 6'3" 197 and doesn't have character issues (bost) from his past.
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2/22/2014  6:01 PM
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Thinking outside the box..It's time for a plan to win a ring..

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