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misterearl
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2/18/2014  9:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/18/2014  9:50 AM
“I like everyone on our ballclub. But at the end of the day, Steve (Mills, the team president and GM) and I will sit down, along with Mr. Dolan, and the guys who make the decisions. And if they think there’s something worthy, then I’m sure we’ll do something. And if not, we’ll sit tight with what we’ve got and try to figure it out from there."

Making decisions by committee is the fatal flaw of the NYK business model.

One General Manager. One phone call.

It ain't that deep.

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gunsnewing
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2/18/2014  10:17 AM
It comes in handy when drafting players even then they have a tendency to overthink their picks and pass up on a great player to a decent one

It gets messy when the time comes to set a direction and a plan and each guy has a different plan in mind. There should be 1 trusted NBA mind mapping out the Knicks future and not through a vacuum like Walsh. They should anticipate obstacles and have plan a b & c in place

No more foiling plans with every individual move

Trade every asset to clear cap
Sign Amare
Lose Lebron
Trade ever asset for Melo
Amnesty billups not Amare
Sign Tyson not Paul
Trade picks for Camby & bargnani
Sign Lin and lose him
Sign Copeland without protection
Hire Dantoni and never draft a PG
Hire Woodson and get him a fat pg

Alright now my fingers hurt
fishmike
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2/18/2014  10:20 AM
its a new front office.. this is their first big test right? Lets see how they perform. Everyone knows there is going to be a lot of activity. Lets see what happens. Hell, I gave Scott Layden a wait and see...

Who is our actual GM? Mills?

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
franco12
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2/18/2014  10:23 AM
its not too many cooks- its the lead chef (dolan) is a narcissist who can only have yes men in his inner circle.
Nalod
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2/18/2014  11:45 AM

Head Coach;Mike Woodson


Assistant Coaches

James Todd, Darrell Walker, Herb Williams

Development Coaches

Jerry Dunn, David Hopla, LaSalle Thompson

Advance Scouts

Matt Harding, Stephen Giles

Video Coordinator

Patrick Licursi

Assistant Video Coordinator

Steve Senior

Equipment Manager

Mike Martinez

Coaching Advisor

Bill Smith

Coaching Consultant

Chris Ford

Basketball Operations

Assistant General Manager/GM, Erie BayHawks

Allan Houston

Vice President, Player Development, Marketing and Team Operations

Chris Bernard

Vice President, Basketball Operations

Jamie Mathews

Basketball Advisor

Glen Grunwald

Director, Security

John Donohue

Director, Basketball Operations

John Gabriel

Director, Pro Player Personnel

Mark Hughes

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Jeannette Kew, Asani Swann

Director, Scouting and Administration

Kristian Petesic

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Mike Smith

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Miguel Vazquez

Director, Player Personnel

Mark Warkentien

Scouts

Kevin Wilson, Walker D. Russell, Gary Boyson, Ben Jobe

Manager, Player Security

Max Cayard

Manager, Building Operations, MSG Training Center

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Damon Jones

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Jason Vogel

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Caroline Giglio

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gunsnewing
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2/18/2014  12:14 PM
Dude^ is Jason Vogel related to Frank Vogel? Make him head coach now on name alone!!
Nalod
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2/18/2014  12:24 PM
Mister,

Indy is not just Larry. Kev Pritchard was personal director and got promoted to GM.

Owners are always part of the process, even the good ones. Jerry Buss for years was in on it. Donald sterling for the bad and the good of late.

No owner lets a man spend tens of millions without consent.
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2/18/2014  12:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/18/2014  12:55 PM
misterearl wrote:“I like everyone on our ballclub. But at the end of the day, Steve (Mills, the team president and GM) and I will sit down, along with Mr. Dolan, and the guys who make the decisions. And if they think there’s something worthy, then I’m sure we’ll do something. And if not, we’ll sit tight with what we’ve got and try to figure it out from there."

Making decisions by committee is the fatal flaw of the NYK business model.

One General Manager. One phone call.

It ain't that deep.

Agreed. I mean Dolan, my God -- hire an expert to take care of all of this for Christ's sake, like you hired expert musicians for your band. You're not qualified my dude; neither is Mills. Man, I wish we had Grunwald back ready to make these phone calls. Why was this guy let go again? Someone remind me... My #1 guy continues to be Tom Penn. Whatever he lacks in long-term experience (he does have some experience btw -- worked 8 yrs as an asst. GM/legal council for Memphis and then served as Kevin Prichard's right-hand man in Portland), he makes up for it with smarts & savvy. And he's available -- that's the key...Currently, he works part-time for ESPN as a draft/trade/cap analyst. It's not like he's tied to some other team...The man's impressive -- I'd be willing to bet he'd want back in the NBA as a chief exec. I'd give him the keys to the bus over here and let him got to work.
Bonn1997
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2/18/2014  12:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/18/2014  12:55 PM
franco12 wrote:its not too many cooks- its the lead chef (dolan) is a narcissist who can only have yes men in his inner circle.

Exactly. It's not too many chefs. It's that the head chef is serving us crap (and too many people are buying it)
Finestrg
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2/18/2014  12:57 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
franco12 wrote:its not too many cooks- its the lead chef (dolan) is a narcissist who can only have yes men in his inner circle.

Exactly. It's not too many chefs. It's that the head chef is serving us crap (and too many people are buying it)

F'in A, man...And that crap's given everyone food poisoning!
franco12
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2/18/2014  1:13 PM
Finestrg wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
franco12 wrote:its not too many cooks- its the lead chef (dolan) is a narcissist who can only have yes men in his inner circle.

Exactly. It's not too many chefs. It's that the head chef is serving us crap (and too many people are buying it)

F'in A, man...And that crap's given everyone food poisoning!

I'm becoming so ill I might just turn into a brooklyn nets fan.
Vmart
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2/18/2014  1:34 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Dude^ is Jason Vogel related to Frank Vogel? Make him head coach now on name alone!!

I thought the same thing.
arkrud
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2/18/2014  1:40 PM
misterearl wrote:“I like everyone on our ballclub. But at the end of the day, Steve (Mills, the team president and GM) and I will sit down, along with Mr. Dolan, and the guys who make the decisions. And if they think there’s something worthy, then I’m sure we’ll do something. And if not, we’ll sit tight with what we’ve got and try to figure it out from there."

Making decisions by committee is the fatal flaw of the NYK business model.

One General Manager. One phone call.

It ain't that deep.

They make ****ty Mills...

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
jrodmc
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2/19/2014  8:01 AM
gunsnewing wrote:It comes in handy when drafting players even then they have a tendency to overthink their picks and pass up on a great player to a decent one

It gets messy when the time comes to set a direction and a plan and each guy has a different plan in mind. There should be 1 trusted NBA mind mapping out the Knicks future and not through a vacuum like Walsh. They should anticipate obstacles and have plan a b & c in place

No more foiling plans with every individual move

Trade every asset to clear cap
Sign Amare
Lose Lebron
Trade ever asset for Melo
Amnesty billups not Amare
Sign Tyson not Paul
Trade picks for Camby & bargnani
Sign Lin and lose him
Sign Copeland without protection
Hire Dantoni and never draft a PG
Hire Woodson and get him a fat pg

Alright now my fingers hurt

+1 Best Post of the Dismal Period

playa2
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2/19/2014  9:38 AM
Anybody ask Dolan if his desire is try and model the approach of the 90's teams that had gutty players who would fight for the orange and blue and coach who would run through a wall for the team.

Hire Lou Carnasescca.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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