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diderotn
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5/5/2004  3:01 PM
If it wasn't for his health issues, this kid would have been an asset that we could have gambled for. He is long and athletic, and Marburry could have perhaps help him become a power house. However, we can find us another better Chandler through the draft, it is all about good scout reporting, and I know that Isia has done his best to improve our scouting department.

Crawf/Chandler together could be a great deal
or Chandler/JYD
or Chandler/Robinson.

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5/5/2004  3:10 PM
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5/5/2004  3:15 PM
Unless you want to trade up to the lotto (which won't happen), I don't see "another better Chandler" coming out of this draft.

Sometimes you have to take chances. Chandler's had some back issues, if they aren't bad or he can play with him I'd take him. I think a trade with the main pieces being KT for Chandler, it could ultimately wind up being a JO for Dale Davis type trade, where Chandler develops.

Chandler is a legit C, and to win you need that. He could, in my mind, with weights and good coaching and a good atmosphere, develop into a 20/12 player. He averaged 7 boards already last year, and that was in limited time.

He could still be special in my opinion.
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5/5/2004  3:23 PM
I agree about the risk, that is how he is obtained, otherwise why would the Bulls trade him. Sometimes young dudes need to fill out and get a stronger back as they mature. The kid is not yet 21 yrs old. If they take Omeka, he can be had. Do they want Kurt? We need another bad contract with E-robb??

He is still too slight to play center, I am thinking Camby like here.

The PF slot would be better, with Vin and Nazr at the C.

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5/6/2004  1:40 AM
The knicks are in the position to take back a contract like E-Rob's to get chandler, I think and I said this before that the bulls made a bad deal with the Brand for chandler trade. Brand was already a proven commodity a 20/10 guy basically, I mean if the bulls evnisioned chandler of being that type of guy, then why trade that one bird in hand for another one in the bush? On the other hand the knicks can use a guy like chandler, I would give Kt up for him in a second, chandler is young, still has potential and could really blosom here with the knicks big men coaches.. I say do this deal quick if you can!!

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5/6/2004  3:41 AM
Posted by Nalod:


He is still too slight to play center, I am thinking Camby like here.

The PF slot would be better, with Vin and Nazr at the C.

Exactly. I think that what's crippled camby, to play C though he had a thin frame. Those guys should play the 4. Who cares if your center is undersized if your 4 offset that ?
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5/6/2004  7:52 AM
I do agree with that last statement. Minesota did the same thing with Garnett, he wasn't and still is not considered a Center. The reason why the Bulls will never be successful with Chandler is because they are much more concern with Curry. It is extremely hard to develop two big men, ask the Wizards they will tell you. Trading either Curry or chandler would be beneficial to the Bulls. The Wiz will need to do the same thing also with Haywood and Kwame.
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5/6/2004  8:23 AM
Posted by diderotn:

I do agree with that last statement. Minesota did the same thing with Garnett, he wasn't and still is not considered a Center. The reason why the Bulls will never be successful with Chandler is because they are much more concern with Curry. It is extremely hard to develop two big men, ask the Wizards they will tell you. Trading either Curry or chandler would be beneficial to the Bulls. The Wiz will need to do the same thing also with Haywood and Kwame.

When Chandler was healthy he seemed to like all the dirty work stuff, like rebounding, blocking shots, finishing hard....

He came into the league with alot of energy. He's at the point where guys start showing signs, finding their niche in the league.

If the Knicks are gonna get him they gotta do it now....
Like someone said he was traded for Brand who is easily a top 5 player in this league.

In fact all these guys we are talking about are at the brink of greatness. The NBA in in a transition. These dudes are in their mid 20's and lower.....Knicks gotta apply for food stamps in order to bag these groceries. And for those that been through it....they put you through hell to get them.
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5/6/2004  10:09 AM
Um...Elton Brand is NOT a top 5 player in the league. He's barely a top five power forward. Actually, I would say he isn't. Give me:
1) Duncan
2) KG
3) J. O.
4) Wallace, R.
5) Dirk
6) Zach
7) Kmart
8) Pao
9) Webber


As my man Hubie says, "Beware the player who puts up big numbers on a bad team."


But as for getting Tyson Chandler, absolutely. Go for him. We'd need to take back a Jerome Williams or even Antonio Davis contract, but it would be WORTH IT. It ain't easy to get a young big like that, you either have to tank a season, get VERY lucky, or shell out some cash (in this case - you take on A. Davis to get what could be the final piece).

Oh, and don't forget Stephen Jackson.
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5/6/2004  1:37 PM
We don't need Antonio Davis, I would much rather have JYD with that trade. He and Kurt Thomas are actually making close to the same amount of money. This trade would have answered all of our weaknesses.


Posted by crzymdups:

Um...Elton Brand is NOT a top 5 player in the league. He's barely a top five power forward. Actually, I would say he isn't. Give me:
1) Duncan
2) KG
3) J. O.
4) Wallace, R.
5) Dirk
6) Zach
7) Kmart
8) Pao
9) Webber


As my man Hubie says, "Beware the player who puts up big numbers on a bad team."


But as for getting Tyson Chandler, absolutely. Go for him. We'd need to take back a Jerome Williams or even Antonio Davis contract, but it would be WORTH IT. It ain't easy to get a young big like that, you either have to tank a season, get VERY lucky, or shell out some cash (in this case - you take on A. Davis to get what could be the final piece).

Oh, and don't forget Stephen Jackson.
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5/6/2004  2:42 PM
Man, you are buggin. Brand puts up these numbers against all the dudes you just mentoned in the West. You are gonna put a crippled Webber over him? Kmar who has no postgame and is undersized. Wallace whose numbers are just worse on bad and good teams? Dirk who is not even a PF. Zach who puts up similar numbers offensively on a bad team, but has no defensive presence whatsoever? Give me a break. Brand is only second to KG, Duncan, and maybe JO.
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5/6/2004  2:49 PM
Maybe J.O.??? Jermaine O'neal was the MVP of the East this year! Zach Randolph almost led the Blazers to the playoffs, and while he ain't great, he's gotten closer to the playoffs than Brand. If Dirk isn't a Power Forward, what is he? He's not a center and he sure isn't a small forward. Dirk may not be a prototypical powerforward, but he's a 4 by default - and he's MUCH better than Brand.

Brand hasn't won anything yet. I put him in the same league as Shareef Abdur-Rahim. If Brand is so great defensively, why doesn't he help the Clippers do better on D? You can argue that one person can't change a team's defense, but a power forward goes a long way towards determining the type of defense a team plays. Look at the Clippers and tell me Brand is a great defensive player. Please. He's overrated.

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5/6/2004  2:51 PM
Also, dude, to argue about Rasheed is ridiculous. Have you seen what he's done to the Pistons? His defense has been amazing. They might be one of the best defensive squads ever. Ever.
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5/6/2004  2:53 PM
Brand is overrated.
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5/7/2004  10:00 AM
I do believe that it will be extremely difficult for us to acquire Sheed. We need to start looking elsewhere. We are going to need a good passing big man a la Webber/Nowitzki etc.
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5/7/2004  10:46 AM
Posted by diderotn:

Brand is overrated.

Brand is overrated and in the same class as Rahim?

We would be jumping for joy if we had either of them.

If you are gonna use that arguement then Brand or Rahim should be easy pickens. Especially Rahim. Dikembe, Othella and Frank for Rahim? Portland would be alright with that new group on the bench.

Same group for Brand? The Clippers might want to clean out the roster and see what they have on the bench. This will set them on track for development after next season.

Brand/Rahim
TT
Nazr
Marbury
Healthy Houston or Stephen Jackson

A team like that is right up there with Detroit, Indiana, and NJ in the east.
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5/7/2004  1:16 PM
Some players are born to do well with croppy teams. Brand and Rahim remind me of Juwon Howard, sort of decent but never able to deliver with a real good team. To be successful in this league as a PF/C you have to have an attitude, and none of those two players have the attitude necessary to succeed. Sometimes, arrogance pays.



Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by diderotn:

Brand is overrated.

Brand is overrated and in the same class as Rahim?

We would be jumping for joy if we had either of them.

If you are gonna use that arguement then Brand or Rahim should be easy pickens. Especially Rahim. Dikembe, Othella and Frank for Rahim? Portland would be alright with that new group on the bench.

Same group for Brand? The Clippers might want to clean out the roster and see what they have on the bench. This will set them on track for development after next season.

Brand/Rahim
TT
Nazr
Marbury
Healthy Houston or Stephen Jackson

A team like that is right up there with Detroit, Indiana, and NJ in the east.
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5/7/2004  1:59 PM
That's an interesting idea about developing 2 bigs at the same time. Never thought of it, but makes sense. Trying to think of an exception to make the rule ... of a team that successfully developed a young C and PF at the same time, and none comes to mind.

Anyway, I'd take any of the 4 guys you mentioned in a heartbeat. (Well, wouldn't be as enthusiastic about Haywood, but would still do it.) Think we need to give up more than KT & salary relief to get 1 of them, though. I'd give up Frank W. too, so long as the sarary relief we get back can play some. Essentially trading youth and potential at PG for the same at PF/C from a team that isn't set up to develop a young PG to a team that isn't set up to develop a 2nd PF/C.
Posted by diderotn:

I do agree with that last statement. Minesota did the same thing with Garnett, he wasn't and still is not considered a Center. The reason why the Bulls will never be successful with Chandler is because they are much more concern with Curry. It is extremely hard to develop two big men, ask the Wizards they will tell you. Trading either Curry or chandler would be beneficial to the Bulls. The Wiz will need to do the same thing also with Haywood and Kwame.
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5/11/2004  10:52 AM
Why not Bender?????
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5/11/2004  3:08 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

Um...Elton Brand is NOT a top 5 player in the league. He's barely a top five power forward. Actually, I would say he isn't. Give me:
1) Duncan
2) KG
3) J. O.
4) Wallace, R.
5) Dirk
6) Zach
7) Kmart
8) Pao
9) Webber


As my man Hubie says, "Beware the player who puts up big numbers on a bad team."


But as for getting Tyson Chandler, absolutely. Go for him. We'd need to take back a Jerome Williams or even Antonio Davis contract, but it would be WORTH IT. It ain't easy to get a young big like that, you either have to tank a season, get VERY lucky, or shell out some cash (in this case - you take on A. Davis to get what could be the final piece).

Oh, and don't forget Stephen Jackson.

I agree with this. If we have to take on ADs contract for a few years to make this deal - do it. Davis still has something left in him and could act as our center. I'd like to see Chandler become a Knick this offseason. There are not many big men with that much upside. Of course, he's injury prone too. He'll fit right in! Go for it! If it means trading TT and KT, so be it. If we can get Chandler, we can sign a SF with the MLE instead.
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