misterearl wrote:The Bulls own the number 15 and the number 17 in the first round. Take Boozer and Heinrich and call it a day.

Thanks Melo.

I'd need Jimmy Butler and Nikola Mirotic.

The point being, with Jeremy Tyler and Tim Hardaway Jr, there is hope and yoot. Both players have the responsibility to improve. Both show promise that is recognized by Hubie Brown. That is good enough for The Answer Man.

Add two first rounders and you have the optimism of starting fresh. It is past time the franchise gave up the business model of attempting to buy love. Love is something that requires time and patience. Kevin Love is not walking through that door.

Cole Aldrich, Toure Murry can stay. That makes six. New York fans will appreciate having a plan and we will show patience with rookie mistakes. The Garden will roar with support because fans understand growing pains. At least, finally, we will have guys that fans can identify with.

You build it right and we will come

misterearl wrote:The two yoots...

The point being, with Jeremy Tyler and Tim Hardaway Jr, there is hope and yoot. Both players have the responsibility to improve. Both show promise that is recognized by Hubie Brown. That is good enough for The Answer Man.

Add two first rounders and you have the optimism of starting fresh. It is past time the franchise gave up the business model of attempting to buy love. Love is something that requires time and patience. Kevin Love is not walking through that door.

Cole Aldrich, Toure Murry can stay. That makes six. New York fans will appreciate having a plan and we will show patience with rookie mistakes. The Garden will roar with support because fans understand growing pains. At least, finally, we will have guys that fans can identify with.

You build it right and we will come

What is there to identify with? This is basketball, not speed dating. The idea of taking solace in building around, under or with THJr and Jeremy Tyler is a recipe for disaster. They are not talented enough to be the cornerstone of any team, present or future.

NardDogNation wrote:
What is there to identify with? This is basketball, not speed dating. The idea of taking solace in building around, under or with THJr and Jeremy Tyler is a recipe for disaster. They are not talented enough to be the cornerstone of any team, present or future.

NardDog - your limp attempt to insert your own interpretation into the proposal is hereby swatted into the second row. Nowhere was it written to "build around" Tyler and Hardaway, but only that we keep them to develop them. As written clearly so that even Stevie Wonder could feel it, "both players have the responsibility to improve" In your haste to assert your non-opinion, like Michael Jordan attempting to hit a AAA curve ball, you completely missed the nuance of that passage.

By the way Nard, do you have a better plan to refresh this franchise for the next five years?

anrst wrote:what kind of players would we possibly get with those picks in the teens?

For example

Paul George was a 10 pick
Lance Stephenson was a 43 pick
Roy Hibbert was a 17 pick
David West was an 18 pick
George Hill was a 26 pick

So the best team in the east had no better than mid range picks to put together a team that can compete for a championship for 6-8 years.

NardDogNation wrote:

"Hope and yoot" is what you perceive THJr and Tyler to be. I'm not sure about you but I would not find a need for "hope" or "optimism" in role players (aka players you don't build with, around, etc.). This is why I presumed that you thought Tyler and Hardaway were destined to be more, which is an opinion that I do not share.

There is no presumption of stardom or rotation-dom. Even David Lee had to earn our trust.

You gotta start somewhere and these two yoots are the best we have in uniform, for the future.

We got nothin' else.

Melo is walking out the door.

misterearl wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

"Hope and yoot" is what you perceive THJr and Tyler to be. I'm not sure about you but I would not find a need for "hope" or "optimism" in role players (aka players you don't build with, around, etc.). This is why I presumed that you thought Tyler and Hardaway were destined to be more, which is an opinion that I do not share.

There is no presumption of stardom or rotation-dom. Even David Lee had to earn our trust.

You gotta start somewhere and these two yoots are the best we have in uniform, for the future.

We got nothin' else.

Melo is walking out the door.

Whether Melo wants to stay or go, the best decision is to move him (FYI I'm a huge Melo fan). We have too many holes to fill and Melo is not getting any younger. More importantly, the stress he is putting on his body makes me doubt that he can stay healthy long term. At this rate, he'll turn himself into the Walking Dead version of a basketball player (aka Amar'e Stoudemire or the 2003-version of Allan Houston). This is why I think that it will be mutually beneficial for both parties to part ways. When that happens, I know we'll have to start from somewhere but that doesn't mean that I can find consolation in polished ****. At the end of the day, polished **** is polished ****, no matter what spin is put on it. That is exactly what the Knicks will be if/when we do decide to move Melo; Hardaway and Tyler doesn't change that for me.

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

anrst wrote:what kind of players would we possibly get with those picks in the teens?

For example

Paul George was a 10 pick
Lance Stephenson was a 43 pick
Roy Hibbert was a 17 pick
David West was an 18 pick
George Hill was a 26 pick

So the best team in the east had no better than mid range picks to put together a team that can compete for a championship for 6-8 years.

Larry bird isn't drafting for the Knicks. Knicks picked fields and rautins before lance. They picked gallo 11 picks before Hibbert. Look how many point guards they could have gotten in the hill draft.

Fortunately for us, Donnie Walsh isn't making picks for us anymore. Needless to say, dude was horrible at maximizing the value of his pick. In almost every draft he was apart of, we should've traded down for more picks. In many of those cases, we could've done so and gotten the same players.

Take 2008 for instance. We used the 6th pick to select Gallo but could've easily picked Brook Lopez and traded him to the Nets for their 10th and 21st picks as well as their 2nd rounder. I highly doubt anyone would've taken Gallo at picks 7-9 given the obvious needs for the respective teams and the volume of quality talent available at those picks. The Clippers were selecting at 7th and Eric Gordon was clearly the guy they wanted. The Bucks were picking up 8th but clearly wanted Joe Alexander because of his ability to speak Mandarin and placate Yi Julian, who they thought was a star in the making. The Bobcats were picking 9th but with Gerald Wallace at the 3 and an obvious need at PG, they were going to go with DJ Augustin. That means we could've still gotten Gallo and had a shot to add someone like Serge Ibaka, Ryan Anderson, Nicolas Batum, George Hill, etc.

Fortunately, the guys in charge of our draft today seem to be doing a better job of selecting the best player available (see Tim Hardaway Jr and the Greek we traded to Portland).