blkexec wrote:Woodson will go down with chandler and shump....As a so called defensive coach...He will go down with the only defensive players on the team....

A plausible theory if not for the fact that Shumpert and Chandler are probably the two players that despise Woodson most on the entire roster.

blkexec wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

blkexec wrote:Woodson will go down with chandler and shump....As a so called defensive coach...He will go down with the only defensive players on the team....

The problem is that both chandler and shump have regressed defensuvely. two years ago both were tremdenous. One was a DPOTY and one was one of the best perimeter defenders as a rookie

And this is why we are so bad. ... Our Top defensive players have regressed. While our old aka meta and young guns are hungry on the bench. Woodson is just as stubborn as mda. I thought Woodson would be an upgrade. ... but I now see he's a defensive version of MDA . Both are decent coaches when they have a team that covers their deficiencies. Otherwise they are not fit for high profile head coaching jobs in a major market like NY or LA.

there are 4 mismatches

(MELO can be one at the 4, sometimes he is not, but I do think that Melo plays his best basketball at the 4)

Chandler is the best defender but he is also slow, in addition to most of the entire SL
We lack mobility, trust, constantly playing TEAM DEF, demanding help way too much by going through screen easily
Yes, Iman, Felton, and Chandler have regressed this year
JR took a big step backwards, his loss of athleticism is one of the reasons he isn't one of the better rebounders, defender, and playmaker this year

Iman should have been developed at SG/PG from the start of his career instead of moving to the SF where he is just another liability
Him playing at SF is detrimental to his development and is a liability for the Knicks
There is no confidence in Woodson's system's/philosophy on both ends and it has been showing
He is sacrificing for the better of the team, but it is going unappreciated

Woodson not doing anything about this, not trying to adjust to this, and not acknowledging this is the greatest problem
The players have taken things in their own hands and have not figured it out

We are not a very good team and giving Melo the opportunity to walk away for NOTHING is the biggest problem, he likely will
And if he doesn't and does indeed stay for a max contract, I rather he walk away signing with a team than overpaying him for a max contract
While we can actually rebuild in a quick 1.5 years, if we trade Melo for some picks/assets, along with trading some of our cap killers/Tyson Chandler and breaking up the team for whatever assets we could use to build a foundation with 2015's UFA' with a CORE of FA's in addition to the development of our young players

You can sell NYK's fans on rebuilding for 1.5 years, we cannot sell the team on sucking for another 5-10years, which would result in giving Melo 1/2 of the entire cap for a 12 man roster
It isn't money well spent, while other teams in the league will preserver salary, have young players/draft picks to develop, in addition to the cap space to sign multiple players while we can just sit there and watch, DOING NOTHING, because we will be left with the crap players with the salary cap left to use

I don't know HOLFRESH, you seem to be more focused on Melo than the future of the Knick's franchise
What is the point, you will blame the lack of talent on the team like you currently are, but you are unwilling to admit that resigning Melo at a max contract will result in the inability to build a team

Why pay Melo more, a player like Kevin Love at 17m, with another 11-13m, that would be equivalent to what Melo would be making in 2015
Now how you spend that extra money, whether for 1-3 players, would be much greater than what Melo would be
I think Kevin Love > Melo at the next contract *Melo's will be 35-36* and will be in huge decline like many NBA players around the age of 30*

Tmac
Steve Frachise
Marbury

Gereld Wallace
Ginobili
Fred Jones

along with many players, I would much rather the cap room, now if we can get some pick's to use to build around in 2015, that would be great
Along with moving Tyson Chandler and some bad contracts, for some assets
While focusing on development of our current players, tanking in 2014, utilizing the MLE this summer for TALENT, and building a plan for our future

But continue to root for Melo and blame the lack of talent around him because it will be the same story, another year, another game as he gets older and his flaws will get even more exposed

This is not an attack on Melo, this is about building and assembling the best possible team in order to contend, with 2015 so close away as probably the best FA's pool with UFA's in one season, and many teams/players seem to want to build a core of 2-4 STAR's because that is what the contending teams currently have and need in order to contend

When Shump plays Knicks are +
When Shump sits Knicks are - (by alot)

Fact is Knicks are + with Melo, Shump, KMart and Prigs.

What does that tell you?

EnySpree wrote:

fishmike wrote:because the Knicks are better when he's on the floor, and thats a fact:
http://www.82games.com/1314/1314NYK.HTM

When Shump plays Knicks are +
When Shump sits Knicks are - (by alot)

Fact is Knicks are + with Melo, Shump, KMart and Prigs.

What does that tell you?

Knicks are 20-31

I mean when was the last time the Knicks actually rode out a young player's struggles do see him eventually become pretty good?

Let Ariza walk. Lin walk. Lee walk. Nate walk. We have given up on a lot of guys who are playing good ball around the league. Hell even Jordan Hill is playing pretty well.

Folks here talk about coveting draft picks in one thread, then want to trade all their young guys the minute they hit any kind of wall.