playa2 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

playa2 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

playa2 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Maybe if we had an actual offense that was beyond High School level, we might get some better shots. Most of our sets don't lead to anything. We just dance around on the perimeter going East and West. NOTHING at the basket. F WOODY!!!!

I don't know why the knicks faithful can't see this

Who has ever defneded woody? The difference is that we dont excuse the players and put everything on teh coach. Woody has issues thats very clear BUT the players deserve just as much blame

Good coaches know how to play to his teams strengths, woody just says go out t

there boys and score some points and while you are at it stop the other team from scoring more than you.

That's graveyard talk !

So do you hold the players accountable at all?

Of course I do, when Woody puts them in a position to win. When the opposing coach knows how to coach, Woodrow has no answer when it comes to strategy.

CrushAlot wrote:

playa2 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

playa2 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Maybe if we had an actual offense that was beyond High School level, we might get some better shots. Most of our sets don't lead to anything. We just dance around on the perimeter going East and West. NOTHING at the basket. F WOODY!!!!

I don't know why the knicks faithful can't see this

Who has ever defneded woody? The difference is that we dont excuse the players and put everything on teh coach. Woody has issues thats very clear BUT the players deserve just as much blame

Good coaches know how to play to his teams strengths, woody just says go out t

there boys and score some points and while you are at it stop the other team from scoring more than you.

That's graveyard talk !

I know that D'Antoni didn't scout opponents. His peers talked about it and he was called out for it. The knicks didn't even have scouting reports for their players until his third season. This was all out there and in the media. I think woodson is easy to criticize but I am wondering what evidence there is to show that he does nothing to prepare his team or game plan. Can you share your sources?

Crush, listen to his postgame interviews does he ever mention it.

CrushAlot wrote:A tale of two shooting guards. Hardaway shoots for 3 hours prior to games Shump lifts weights.

gunsnewing wrote:Why are we talking about Dantoni. He left 3yrs ago

I'm just going by what I see. He lucked into the small ball offense last year and then abandoned it this year completely until now. But what bothers me is that there's no depth to it. He hasn't added or tweaked it in any way. 3's and Melo being hot is not a dependable offense. He has Felton and Prigs who aren't dynamic PG's but he hasn't added anything to help make them better or play to their strengths. We go East and West or Pound the ball with guys standing and watching. Who can defend this crap?

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Why are we talking about Dantoni. He left 3yrs ago

THANK YOU!!! People just want to take shots at anyone who says anything bad about Woodson, most often it's directed at me, but now it's just the default response. This is about Woodson and this Knicks team. No we don't have a great roster, but it should be better than this. There's no excuse for the record this year. There's no excuse for the way Woody has coached in the playoffs. He just hasn't shown anything special. People give him too much credit for the win streaks and 54 wins, but IMO a lot of that is just Melo and the team being hot. Outside of the streaks there a lot of bad BB if you really look at his record here.

I'm just going by what I see. He lucked into the small ball offense last year and then abandoned it this year completely until now. But what bothers me is that there's no depth to it. He hasn't added or tweaked it in any way. 3's and Melo being hot is not a dependable offense. He has Felton and Prigs who aren't dynamic PG's but he hasn't added anything to help make them better or play to their strengths. We go East and West or Pound the ball with guys standing and watching. Who can defend this crap?

Sangfroid wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:We aren't going to beat the Heat if Super Melo doesn't show up..

Having one player on that level is not getting you anywhere. Keep giving up draft picks and assets

Please name those so called "assets"..

Gallo
Chandler
Mozgov
Lin

And all the complementary picks we threw in deals

Going too far back to try for points. Why not go back to the Sky Walker?

Because we havent had any assets to improve the team since then.

The measley remaining ones were trade for Bargnani

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Why are we talking about Dantoni. He left 3yrs ago

THANK YOU!!! People just want to take shots at anyone who says anything bad about Woodson, most often it's directed at me, but now it's just the default response. This is about Woodson and this Knicks team. No we don't have a great roster, but it should be better than this. There's no excuse for the record this year. There's no excuse for the way Woody has coached in the playoffs. He just hasn't shown anything special. People give him too much credit for the win streaks and 54 wins, but IMO a lot of that is just Melo and the team being hot. Outside of the streaks there a lot of bad BB if you really look at his record here.

I'm just going by what I see. He lucked into the small ball offense last year and then abandoned it this year completely until now. But what bothers me is that there's no depth to it. He hasn't added or tweaked it in any way. 3's and Melo being hot is not a dependable offense. He has Felton and Prigs who aren't dynamic PG's but he hasn't added anything to help make them better or play to their strengths. We go East and West or Pound the ball with guys standing and watching. Who can defend this crap?

One guy is convicted of not game planning and scouting the other guy is being accused. Peers and the media discussed D'Antoni's not scouting. And D'Antoni and the Knicks didn't use advance scouts until his third year when players were presented with a packet of notes about their opponents tendencies. Other coaches, and the media accused D'Antoni of this. Posters are accusing Woodson of this. There was evidence with Mike D both with the teams performance and what was disclosed by peers and the media. None of that has come up with Woodson. If that evidence is there please share it.

This is not about MDA and the things Woodson has done wrong have no bearing on MDA. I've seen MDA in playoff situations and he can coach. MDA's teams that made it to the Conference Finals played good BB to get there in a tough Western Conf. From what i've seen from Woodson so far in his career i've seen nothing that makes me think he's a capable coach in a playoff situation. IMO if you can lead your teams to the WCF's twice amongst very tough competition then you have to be doing something right. In particular MDA found a way to win with Nash, Marion, Bell and Diaw as key core players. To get this team to the WCF's was good coaching.

Player	           Age	G 	GS	MP	AST	PTS
Shawn Marion	   27	81	81	40.3	1.8	21.8
Steve Nash	   31	79	79	35.4	10.5	18.8
Raja Bell	   29	79	79	37.5	2.6     14.7
Boris Diaw	   23	81	70	35.5	1.0	13.3
Leandro Barbosa	   23	57	11	27.9	2.8	13.1
Tim Thomas	   28	26	10	24.4	0.7	11.0
Eddie House	   27	81	0	17.5	0.1	9.8
James Jones	   25	75	24	23.6	0.8	9.3
Kurt Thomas	   33	53	50	26.6	1.1	8.6
Jim Jackson	   35	27	1	15.6	1.1	3.7
Pat Burke	   32	42	0	8.2	0.4	3.4
Brian Grant	   33	21	2	11.8	0.3     2.9
N Tskitishvili	   22	12	0	1.0	0.3     2.8
Dijon Thompson	   22	10	0	4.3	0.1	2.8
Amar'e Stoudemire  23	3	3	16.7    0.7     8.7	

Q. nixluva - Who can defend this crap?

A. Evidently, the Heat can defend this crap. Miami led from start to finish

"The better team won" - Jeff Van Gundy

Here endeth the lesson

gunsnewing wrote:"Step aside, I got this" - Shane Battier

On Saturday, Shane Battier made Melo work for his 26 points, denying or fronting him on more than half of his touches when guarded by the Heat stopper, according to ESPN Stats and Info. Only two of Carmelo’s eight field goals came with less than five seconds left on the shot clock, and they were contested. And Battier helped the Heat harass Anthony into seven turnovers.

18 total

misterearl wrote:Fixed

gunsnewing wrote:"Step aside, I got this" - Shane Battier

On Saturday, Shane Battier made Melo work for his 26 points, denying or fronting him on more than half of his touches when guarded by the Heat stopper, according to ESPN Stats and Info. Only two of Carmelo’s eight field goals came with less than five seconds left on the shot clock, and they were contested. And Battier helped the Heat harass Anthony into seven turnovers.

18 total

StarksEwing1 wrote:Tim hardaway and JR had solid games. Melo Tyson and felton really struggled on both sides. The Heat were ultra motivated but i feel we still had a chance if our top guys buckled down in teh 4th