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BRIGGS
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1/31/2014  8:18 AM
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6-10 260 pounds C/PF Jeremy Tyler--brings size skill energy defense and rebounding
6-5 200 pound G Tim Hardaway JR--is already one of the best 3 pt shooters in the NBA a real explosive player and this is no fluke--hes legit
6-6 225 pound JR Smith--once he puts down the pipe--hes a starting NBA 2 guard who can run pass shoot play D
6-10 260 pound Cole Aldrich--hes a lane clogger and I think he can probably rebound with anyone in the NBA.

Subtract
7-0 250 C Andrea Barganani slow footed inconsistent player who is best set for European basketball
6-6 225 G Iman Shumpert knee injuries and attitude have lead to highly inconsistent play he needs a new gig its best for him and us
6-4 210 pd Beno Udirih You want out--we should remove you not a great fit here but can be quite useful somewhere else.

Wildcard Amare--he will need to fit in again? MWP--we he stay healthy and improve to give minutes on guys like Paul George and LBJ?

Transactions? Can we move Shumpert and Udirih for a quality third PG?

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Nalod
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1/31/2014  8:21 AM
when you put it that way, it sounds pretty good!!
Bonn1997
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1/31/2014  8:23 AM
I think this team can play around .550. Unfortunately, those injured players will be coming back though.
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1/31/2014  8:41 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:I think this team can play around .550. Unfortunately, those injured players will be coming back though.

Actually think they are better than that but, like you said, guys will be back.

This has been a major issue all season - 2/3 guys get hurt, forces Woodson to play a shorter rotation and the team plays well. The injured return and it's back to chaos and disorganization on both ends. THAT IS ON WOODSON and has been all season.

Either a trade needs to be made, which hopefully includes selling JR high, or he needs to make certain guys understand their roles.

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1/31/2014  8:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/31/2014  8:43 AM
A player who can drive from the arc consistently, blow by his defender, and finish. Or chase down guards and block their shot isn't "slow footed". Bargs has his flaws, mainly team D, but but being slow footed isn't one of them.

We'll have to see how small ball works against better, bigger front lines. We need the option of going big or small depending on the situation, if it means Bargs coming off the bench on the slight chance he returns by the end of the year, so be it.

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1/31/2014  8:49 AM
Hallelujah!!!

This is all we needed really. Its a Shame is taken us this long to figure out. This is something that should have been settled in training camp and pre season. I don't want to hear excuses.

Anyway, I can dig the way they are playing. The key is to build around something and save Woodson from himself. Tyler and Cole need to stay in the rotation. Sorry who doesn't like it. We have to stop playing vets just because. We need to play the guys that are going to help us win. Everyone else we need to figure out a place for them.

If we can really get Lowery here for Felton, Shump and a pick then we need to do that. If we can move bargs or tyson we need to do that.

Tyler, kenyon, Tyson, and amare with cole is very good. We have the bigs to make us a touch tan not the ***** team that gets beat on the boards every night and killed inside.

**** bro!!!

So Damn frustrating.

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1/31/2014  8:55 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/31/2014  9:13 AM
These threads are always fun. Next week when the competition gets stiffer and shots stop falling, just take each player and write the comets opposite and trade everyone
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1/31/2014  8:57 AM
well.. we have a bit of momentum, and we are back to the style of play that yielded 54 wins last year. Amare I dont worry about. He played a nice bench role last year in this system and his high % scoring was a nice boost. KMart get limited minutes. Shump simply isnt as good as THjr right now in any facet, so I agree w/ Briggs, prob best to get a late #1 for him or possibly package him for an upgrade. Bargs is the guy that is a total no go. I just dont see any capacity for how he fits in with this group
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1/31/2014  8:58 AM
GustavBahler wrote:A player who can drive from the arc consistently, blow by his defender, and finish. Or chase down guards and block their shot isn't "slow footed". Bargs has his flaws, mainly team D, but but being slow footed isn't one of them.

We'll have to see how small ball works against better, bigger front lines. We need the option of going big or small depending on the situation, if it means Bargs coming off the bench on the slight chance he returns by the end of the year, so be it.

Barg's isn't slow footed on D? How many gifs of him shuffling around like your arthritic grandma do you have to see? If you're not "slow footed" why would you have a problem with team D?

How bout "dumb footed"?

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1/31/2014  9:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/31/2014  9:26 AM
And as soon as we go in the dumps again against top tier talent, those same players Briggs will want shipped out. LOL
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1/31/2014  9:08 AM
jrodmc wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:A player who can drive from the arc consistently, blow by his defender, and finish. Or chase down guards and block their shot isn't "slow footed". Bargs has his flaws, mainly team D, but but being slow footed isn't one of them.

We'll have to see how small ball works against better, bigger front lines. We need the option of going big or small depending on the situation, if it means Bargs coming off the bench on the slight chance he returns by the end of the year, so be it.

Barg's isn't slow footed on D? How many gifs of him shuffling around like your arthritic grandma do you have to see? If you're not "slow footed" why would you have a problem with team D?

How bout "dumb footed"?

In one aspect of his game he is slow to react, but that doesn't carry over into other aspects of his game like offense, man D. "Dumb footed" might be more accurate when it comes to team D.

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1/31/2014  9:08 AM
Is this the first "We blew it up without blowing it up" thread?
gunsnewing
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1/31/2014  9:22 AM
Remember we fired the guy who drafted THJ as the season was about to start. We cut Tyler and risked losing him for Chris Smith
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1/31/2014  9:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/31/2014  9:26 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Remember we fired the guy who drafted THJ as the season was about to start. We cut Tyler and risked losing him for Chris Smith

Well that guy did give us this sub .500 team and traded 3 draft picks for Bargs
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1/31/2014  9:40 AM
What we are really seeing is the Knicks 3(natural 2 guard) beat the opposing teams 4 man off the dribble and back door off cuts. It is also making it difficult for that 4 man to help weakside in the lane which creates opportunities for everyone else. The problem is trusting the 3 man to do this consistently. It should but you never know.


That will be a little different versus Miami with Lebron guarding the 3 but the Knicks usually lets Melo play off the ball a lot against Miami which gives them trouble.

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1/31/2014  9:59 AM
I still would try to trad Shump for Gordon Hayward. I'm on rinse and repeat. I guess Gordon is to me as Rudy Gay is to Ron. Anyway, I trust his all around game more than shump's and think he would thrive in a reduced role scoring wise but provide passing and rebounds that they would need from the wing.

He is like Parson's but without the players around him to keep his game progressing. I still like Parson more.

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1/31/2014  10:00 AM
jrodmc wrote:Is this the first "We blew it up without blowing it up" thread?

We imploded it in!

Put Bargs and Stat on the shelf. Put 36mil a year on the shelf and we get better?

Boston sucks, and Cleveland is awful. Im happy we are beating lessor teams. Not to long ago Philly came and gave it to us.

Nalod remembers.

So we got woodson:

1. Adapting
2. playing yoots
3. adapting
4. making good moves.

This week.

Those who thought we got problems but Woodson is not one of them are proving correct (this week) as he has not lost his team and has reeled JR back into the fold.

Woodson also got much smarter when Tyson got his timing back. When Melo goes for 62pts, woodsons IQ goes up too!

Nalod thinks Woodson gets a lot from the rosters we have given him. Not a miracle worker mind you, just does a very very good job.

Tough love might not be what most of us wants but this is how it goes. Shump is on the Hump. Timmy should get his minutes and time to rebuild Shump back up when he gets well. His midlevel contract is slipping away and is one more shoulder problem away from Tony DouglasVille.

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1/31/2014  10:02 AM
playa2 wrote:And as soon as we go in the dumps again against top tier talent, those same players Briggs will want shipped out. LOL

only if dumbass woodson decides to go with the "SLOW" lineup again, and i maintain... bargnani is not the one that makes this lineup slow...
we looked great against cavs who don't have a legit center and we might look good tomorrow against miami but the team that beat cleveland boston and other scrubs down... can they beat indiana?

the reason why we start 2 PGs... coz our starting PG just isn't that good on his own! The small ball got us past boston to face indiana last year, but then what happened... ? i'd rather face miami in the first round at this point than indiana. unless our bigs are back, we dont match up well with indiana.

and woodson is not smart enough to change lineups based on who he's facing, i mean that's coaching 101. how many mins and how many games do we have to play before he realizes he is being stubborn. he's talking in the papers these days about sticking with the 2 PG lineup. no **** sherlock what did you think felton was going to do when you saw him out of shape?

KYP - Know Your Personnel.... and Woodson clearly doesn't.

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1/31/2014  10:04 AM
EnySpree wrote:Hallelujah!!!

This is all we needed really. Its a Shame is taken us this long to figure out. This is something that should have been settled in training camp and pre season. I don't want to hear excuses.

Jeremy Tyler was injured at the start of the season.

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1/31/2014  10:05 AM
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Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Is this the first "We blew it up without blowing it up" thread?

We imploded it in!

Put Bargs and Stat on the shelf. Put 36mil a year on the shelf and we get better?

Boston sucks, and Cleveland is awful. Im happy we are beating lessor teams. Not to long ago Philly came and gave it to us.

Nalod remembers.

So we got woodson:

1. Adapting
2. playing yoots
3. adapting
4. making good moves
.

This week.

Those who thought we got problems but Woodson is not one of them are proving correct (this week) as he has not lost his team and has reeled JR back into the fold.

Woodson also got much smarter when Tyson got his timing back. When Melo goes for 62pts, woodsons IQ goes up too!

Nalod thinks Woodson gets a lot from the rosters we have given him. Not a miracle worker mind you, just does a very very good job.

Tough love might not be what most of us wants but this is how it goes. Shump is on the Hump. Timmy should get his minutes and time to rebuild Shump back up when he gets well. His midlevel contract is slipping away and is one more shoulder problem away from Tony DouglasVille.

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