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1/30/2014  2:29 PM
Rose is the next amare he'll prob be a shell of the player he was....they would have to waive boozer. Jimmy butler,Noah,and a shell of a rose that will prob have another knee injury. Also to leave 33 mil on the table for a team with less talent.. I don't think so and neither dose lala.
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1/30/2014  2:33 PM
because if healthy Melo/Rose/Noah is as good as Lebron/Wade/Bosh or most other combos. Thats a trio that has all the pieces to make a title run if they get some role players.

That being said I think Rose being hurt for the 2nd year in a row kills it. Hard to envision Melo going to the Bulls and dealing what he's dealt with here with Amare being hurt.

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1/30/2014  2:40 PM
Yea I hear ya.. But Noah and chandler our similar and I really feel rose will not be the same player because he relies on his quickness witch is gone and he's not a great shooter.. I think if we can pull off a Lowry trade or get him via free agent. A Lowry,thjr,melo,Tyler,chandler might be better esp if thjr becomes a all star.
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1/30/2014  2:45 PM
I don't think Rose and Melo complement each other. Also don't think Rose will regain his all star form.
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1/30/2014  2:48 PM
smack, fitz... I hope your right. I think you are but you never know. Losing MElo would suck... I really cant handle another Isiah like era of 25 win seasons wondering if the #s the Nates, David Lees and Channing Frye's of your roster mean anything while you lose constantly. TFK would probably enjoy that
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1/30/2014  2:49 PM
Yea, also hoping Tyler becomes really good which I think he will also he could replace chandler as our future center for a long time and I really like a Lowry,thjr,melo,stat,Tyler and I really want to see murry more I think that guy looks like a poor mans d rose ... Such a explosive first step!
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1/30/2014  2:50 PM
fitzfarm wrote:Yea I hear ya.. But Noah and chandler our similar and I really feel rose will not be the same player because he relies on his quickness witch is gone and he's not a great shooter.. I think if we can pull off a Lowry trade or get him via free agent. A Lowry,thjr,melo,Tyler,chandler might be better esp if thjr becomes a all star.

And in spite of Chandler and Noah being near carbon copies of each other (I actually think that Noah is light-years ahead of Tyson at this point), the Bulls have been and are WAY better than the Knicks. They'll likely have a solid draft pick this year to augment the core and also have Nikola Mirotic (the new Toni Kukoc) coming over as well. Other than the extra $33 million, I'd see no reason for Melo to stick around here if he could get a max deal with the Bulls.

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1/30/2014  3:03 PM
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fitzfarm wrote:Yea I hear ya.. But Noah and chandler our similar and I really feel rose will not be the same player because he relies on his quickness witch is gone and he's not a great shooter.. I think if we can pull off a Lowry trade or get him via free agent. A Lowry,thjr,melo,Tyler,chandler might be better esp if thjr becomes a all star.

And in spite of Chandler and Noah being near carbon copies of each other (I actually think that Noah is light-years ahead of Tyson at this point), the Bulls have been and are WAY better than the Knicks. They'll likely have a solid draft pick this year to augment the core and also have Nikola Mirotic (the new Toni Kukoc) coming over as well. Other than the extra $33 million, I'd see no reason for Melo to stick around here if he could get a max deal with the Bulls.

lots of reasons... many are simply human
1) He will be the guy that gets built around, not the guy who joins
2) He doesnt have to move
3) He will get paid as much or more
4) Chi winters are worse than NYs. While we have been miserable with weather in the teens every day they are closing schools out there because its in the negative teens
5) bla bla bla you get the idea

End of the day he's going to do what he wants but he will also have more control and comfort here, and there is more to life than hoops, even for a guy like this...

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1/30/2014  3:05 PM
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fitzfarm wrote:Yea I hear ya.. But Noah and chandler our similar and I really feel rose will not be the same player because he relies on his quickness witch is gone and he's not a great shooter.. I think if we can pull off a Lowry trade or get him via free agent. A Lowry,thjr,melo,Tyler,chandler might be better esp if thjr becomes a all star.

And in spite of Chandler and Noah being near carbon copies of each other (I actually think that Noah is light-years ahead of Tyson at this point), the Bulls have been and are WAY better than the Knicks. They'll likely have a solid draft pick this year to augment the core and also have Nikola Mirotic (the new Toni Kukoc) coming over as well. Other than the extra $33 million, I'd see no reason for Melo to stick around here if he could get a max deal with the Bulls.


I really don't see the bulls as a better option, Noah is chandler and I don't like ether one.. I think Tyler is more talented then ether one esp with that Wingspan. It obviously will show with more time . Amare is a nice guy off the bench or even starting.. Thjr mark my words is going to be a all star, all we are missing is a pg. sure it up this off season .. Lowry,thjr,melo,Tyler,chandler or a Lin,thjr,melo,stat,Tyler. Is better then what the bulls can offer. Rose,blank,jimmy butler,melo,Noah
And rose will prob be injured a lot, so more like Kirk h,blank,jimmy butler,melo,Noah

Dose chi town look better, in my opinion not at all.. Plus we have guys that are only going to get better year after year in Tyler,thjr,murry even shump..

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1/30/2014  3:09 PM
fitzfarm wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:Yea I hear ya.. But Noah and chandler our similar and I really feel rose will not be the same player because he relies on his quickness witch is gone and he's not a great shooter.. I think if we can pull off a Lowry trade or get him via free agent. A Lowry,thjr,melo,Tyler,chandler might be better esp if thjr becomes a all star.

And in spite of Chandler and Noah being near carbon copies of each other (I actually think that Noah is light-years ahead of Tyson at this point), the Bulls have been and are WAY better than the Knicks. They'll likely have a solid draft pick this year to augment the core and also have Nikola Mirotic (the new Toni Kukoc) coming over as well. Other than the extra $33 million, I'd see no reason for Melo to stick around here if he could get a max deal with the Bulls.


I really don't see the bulls as a better option, Noah is chandler and I don't like ether one.. I think Tyler is more talented then ether one esp with that Wingspan. It obviously will show with more time . Amare is a nice guy off the bench or even starting.. Thjr mark my words is going to be a all star, all we are missing is a pg. sure it up this off season .. Lowry,thjr,melo,Tyler,chandler or a Lin,thjr,melo,stat,Tyler. Is better then what the bulls can offer. Rose,blank,jimmy butler,melo,Noah
And rose will prob be injured a lot, so more like Kirk h,blank,jimmy butler,melo,Noah

Dose chi town look better, in my opinion not at all.. Plus we have guys that are only going to get better year after year in Tyler,thjr,murry even shump..

dude... Tyson Chandler, suspect as his game has become has been a DPOY, anchored the defense on a team that won a title and has been an impact player for a long time. Noah is actually better but hasnt been around as long. Tyler has had 3 good games against garbage teams and failed to impress anyone in a Japanese league where he was the biggest and most athletic player. In the league.

I like his upside also but what you see is what you get. Lets see a bit yea?

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1/30/2014  3:20 PM
fishmike wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:Yea I hear ya.. But Noah and chandler our similar and I really feel rose will not be the same player because he relies on his quickness witch is gone and he's not a great shooter.. I think if we can pull off a Lowry trade or get him via free agent. A Lowry,thjr,melo,Tyler,chandler might be better esp if thjr becomes a all star.

And in spite of Chandler and Noah being near carbon copies of each other (I actually think that Noah is light-years ahead of Tyson at this point), the Bulls have been and are WAY better than the Knicks. They'll likely have a solid draft pick this year to augment the core and also have Nikola Mirotic (the new Toni Kukoc) coming over as well. Other than the extra $33 million, I'd see no reason for Melo to stick around here if he could get a max deal with the Bulls.

lots of reasons... many are simply human
1) He will be the guy that gets built around, not the guy who joins
2) He doesnt have to move
3) He will get paid as much or more
4) Chi winters are worse than NYs. While we have been miserable with weather in the teens every day they are closing schools out there because its in the negative teens
5) bla bla bla you get the idea

End of the day he's going to do what he wants but he will also have more control and comfort here, and there is more to life than hoops, even for a guy like this...

1.) Cap space doesn't necessarily lead to good players or a capable team (see Dallas).
2.) Melo lives in LA during the offseason so it's not like he's attached at the hip to NY.
3.) Melo would get paid more from his basketball contracts but not necessarily from endorsement deals, which is what players make the bulk of their money from. If he wins a title or is able to compete for one in Chicago, I think the endorsement deals would be ratcheted up from what they are today. The cherry on top is that Chicago has a lower tax rate than we do, which also saves/earns Melo more money.
4.) Melo's rich and can afford a blanket or two, lol. Plus he's got LaLa to keep him warm, which is definitely more than what I got LMFAO.

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1/30/2014  3:22 PM
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fitzfarm wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:Yea I hear ya.. But Noah and chandler our similar and I really feel rose will not be the same player because he relies on his quickness witch is gone and he's not a great shooter.. I think if we can pull off a Lowry trade or get him via free agent. A Lowry,thjr,melo,Tyler,chandler might be better esp if thjr becomes a all star.

And in spite of Chandler and Noah being near carbon copies of each other (I actually think that Noah is light-years ahead of Tyson at this point), the Bulls have been and are WAY better than the Knicks. They'll likely have a solid draft pick this year to augment the core and also have Nikola Mirotic (the new Toni Kukoc) coming over as well. Other than the extra $33 million, I'd see no reason for Melo to stick around here if he could get a max deal with the Bulls.


I really don't see the bulls as a better option, Noah is chandler and I don't like ether one.. I think Tyler is more talented then ether one esp with that Wingspan. It obviously will show with more time . Amare is a nice guy off the bench or even starting.. Thjr mark my words is going to be a all star, all we are missing is a pg. sure it up this off season .. Lowry,thjr,melo,Tyler,chandler or a Lin,thjr,melo,stat,Tyler. Is better then what the bulls can offer. Rose,blank,jimmy butler,melo,Noah
And rose will prob be injured a lot, so more like Kirk h,blank,jimmy butler,melo,Noah

Dose chi town look better, in my opinion not at all.. Plus we have guys that are only going to get better year after year in Tyler,thjr,murry even shump..

dude... Tyson Chandler, suspect as his game has become has been a DPOY, anchored the defense on a team that won a title and has been an impact player for a long time. Noah is actually better but hasnt been around as long. Tyler has had 3 good games against garbage teams and failed to impress anyone in a Japanese league where he was the biggest and most athletic player. In the league.

I like his upside also but what you see is what you get. Lets see a bit yea?


Yea for sure and even though chandler bothers me sometimes with his lack of offensive moves. I know he's a great defensive anchor. And he plays to his strengths on offense... I just love Tyler's potential and think he could be a real special player in this league for years to come.
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1/30/2014  3:24 PM
fitzfarm wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:Yea I hear ya.. But Noah and chandler our similar and I really feel rose will not be the same player because he relies on his quickness witch is gone and he's not a great shooter.. I think if we can pull off a Lowry trade or get him via free agent. A Lowry,thjr,melo,Tyler,chandler might be better esp if thjr becomes a all star.

And in spite of Chandler and Noah being near carbon copies of each other (I actually think that Noah is light-years ahead of Tyson at this point), the Bulls have been and are WAY better than the Knicks. They'll likely have a solid draft pick this year to augment the core and also have Nikola Mirotic (the new Toni Kukoc) coming over as well. Other than the extra $33 million, I'd see no reason for Melo to stick around here if he could get a max deal with the Bulls.


I really don't see the bulls as a better option, Noah is chandler and I don't like ether one.. I think Tyler is more talented then ether one esp with that Wingspan. It obviously will show with more time . Amare is a nice guy off the bench or even starting.. Thjr mark my words is going to be a all star, all we are missing is a pg. sure it up this off season .. Lowry,thjr,melo,Tyler,chandler or a Lin,thjr,melo,stat,Tyler. Is better then what the bulls can offer. Rose,blank,jimmy butler,melo,Noah
And rose will prob be injured a lot, so more like Kirk h,blank,jimmy butler,melo,Noah

Dose chi town look better, in my opinion not at all.. Plus we have guys that are only going to get better year after year in Tyler,thjr,murry even shump..

You can actually run an offensive through Joakim Noah with his passing ability, while Tyson can hardly finish alley oop plays anymore. When you factor in that Noah is several years his junior, it becomes hard to make the argument that the two are of the same class anymore. You tried singing Chandler's praises but everything you mentioned was what he USE to be and not what he currently is. And Jeremy Tyler hasn't even played a full season yet, so let's not christen him one of the best center's in the league especially since he's been playing as a 4.

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1/30/2014  3:32 PM
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fitzfarm wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:Yea I hear ya.. But Noah and chandler our similar and I really feel rose will not be the same player because he relies on his quickness witch is gone and he's not a great shooter.. I think if we can pull off a Lowry trade or get him via free agent. A Lowry,thjr,melo,Tyler,chandler might be better esp if thjr becomes a all star.

And in spite of Chandler and Noah being near carbon copies of each other (I actually think that Noah is light-years ahead of Tyson at this point), the Bulls have been and are WAY better than the Knicks. They'll likely have a solid draft pick this year to augment the core and also have Nikola Mirotic (the new Toni Kukoc) coming over as well. Other than the extra $33 million, I'd see no reason for Melo to stick around here if he could get a max deal with the Bulls.


I really don't see the bulls as a better option, Noah is chandler and I don't like ether one.. I think Tyler is more talented then ether one esp with that Wingspan. It obviously will show with more time . Amare is a nice guy off the bench or even starting.. Thjr mark my words is going to be a all star, all we are missing is a pg. sure it up this off season .. Lowry,thjr,melo,Tyler,chandler or a Lin,thjr,melo,stat,Tyler. Is better then what the bulls can offer. Rose,blank,jimmy butler,melo,Noah
And rose will prob be injured a lot, so more like Kirk h,blank,jimmy butler,melo,Noah

Dose chi town look better, in my opinion not at all.. Plus we have guys that are only going to get better year after year in Tyler,thjr,murry even shump..

You can actually run an offensive through Joakim Noah with his passing ability, while Tyson can hardly finish alley oop plays anymore. When you factor in that Noah is several years his junior, it becomes hard to make the argument that the two are of the same class anymore. You tried singing Chandler's praises but everything you mentioned was what he USE to be and not what he currently is. And Jeremy Tyler hasn't even played a full season yet, so let's not christen him one of the best center's in the league especially since he's been playing as a 4.

Yea gotta give Noah his due he is one of the best glue players in this league,even though his chicken wing shot makes me want to vomit lol

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1/30/2014  3:40 PM
Noah with a sprained ankle is better than 1000% healthy chandler. The guy can rebound and pass like its nobodys business
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1/30/2014  3:45 PM
I still don't see Noah and a has been rose better then the Knicks roster.. Also I think it's good the Knicks struggled early on so did the pacers last year... Let's see what thjr dose with extended mins, I think he's going to be a star and also a piece we were missing last year. Tyler as long as he gets mins is going to shock everyone... That's how I feel... I don't think chitowns a bad roster... I just think we have a brighter future in thjr,and Tyler... Also our bench is stronger in smith,shump,Pablo,amare,Btw smith is getting back to six man of the year form... The Knicks do need a upgrade at pg in a bad way
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1/30/2014  3:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/30/2014  3:51 PM
fitzfarm wrote:I still don't see Noah and a has been rose better then the Knicks roster.. Also I think it's good the Knicks struggled early on so did the pacers last year... Let's see what thjr dose with extended mins, I think he's going to be a star and also a piece we were missing last year. Tyler as long as he gets mins is going to shock everyone... That's how I feel... I don't think chitowns a bad roster... I just think we have a brighter future in thjr,and Tyler... Also our bench is stronger in smith,shump,Pablo,amare,Btw smith is getting back to six man of the year form... The Knicks do need a upgrade at pg in a bad way

Why not? The Bulls don't have Rose OR Melo at the moment and they still have a better record than we do. Not to mention that Jimmy Butler has been doing what THJr has been doing since last season, while Taj Gibson is far and away a superior player to Jeremy Tyler. Anyway you dice it, the Bulls are better and stand to become even better with their two draft picks this year and Nikola Mirotic on the way.

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1/30/2014  4:45 PM
Chi has a shadow of Jordan over the team... tough bill to fill for Melo.
He will need to demote himself from general to the soldier. Cannot see this.
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1/30/2014  5:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/30/2014  5:43 PM
I can only think of two reasons: they have cap space and they don't a history of being the worst run franchise in the game this century.
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1/30/2014  5:48 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:Yea I hear ya.. But Noah and chandler our similar and I really feel rose will not be the same player because he relies on his quickness witch is gone and he's not a great shooter.. I think if we can pull off a Lowry trade or get him via free agent. A Lowry,thjr,melo,Tyler,chandler might be better esp if thjr becomes a all star.

And in spite of Chandler and Noah being near carbon copies of each other (I actually think that Noah is light-years ahead of Tyson at this point), the Bulls have been and are WAY better than the Knicks. They'll likely have a solid draft pick this year to augment the core and also have Nikola Mirotic (the new Toni Kukoc) coming over as well. Other than the extra $33 million, I'd see no reason for Melo to stick around here if he could get a max deal with the Bulls.

I agree about Noah being light years ahead of Tyson at this point. Also, it is a bit curious how well the Knicks do when Tyson is out. While the most success has been with KMart, the Bargs at center line up also had some success and I think Tyler or Aldrich could step into and fill that role. Maybe I am missing something. I am tired of Tyson's finger pointing, especially when his play for the most part has been really poor so I might be judging him a bit unfairly. However, if there is any value trades available for Tyson I think the Knicks should move him. Minimally he is a luxury that the Knicks can't afford. I see him now as more a part of what is wrong as opposed to what is right.
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