What happens if the Knicks win 48-52 games?

If they lose 36 games (why would this happen again? Sweetney and Frank improve, the Knicks come back healthy, and all is solved. The T'Wolves are a horrible example because Hassel and Madsen were better fits for that team. Both are defensive oriented players, go for rebounds, and don't need the ball on offense. When Wally's in the offense gets screwed up, and Kandi is so important to that team why did he play only 14 minutes in game 5, more than 10 minutes less than Marc Madsen, and garner zero points. The T'Wolves are the model of how to bulid a team, have one superstar, 2 all-stars, and a bunch of role players. Regardless...) I think it's obvious they'd use their lotto pick and start rebuilding. They wouldn't be far, after the completion of next year, to having Houston and Anderson off the books.

Let's see how the offseason pans out before we start saying the Knicks will never make the playoffs ever again, I think that's ridiculous.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 05/03/2004 15:47:45]

if they win 48-52 games they are headed in the right direction. --this was a question based on my belief that the east will be much improved and we will be status quo in terms of what we have for the most part, with possibly adding a FA and one trade.

Posted by BRIGGS:

if they win 48-52 games they are headed in the right direction. --this was a question based on my belief that the east will be much improved and we will be status quo in terms of what we have for the most part, with possibly adding a FA and one trade.

we'll have a 20ppg shooter on the court the entire season - that's not status quo.

Posted by BRIGGS:

if they win 48-52 games they are headed in the right direction. --this was a question based on my belief that the east will be much improved and we will be status quo in terms of what we have for the most part, with possibly adding a FA and one trade.

By the way, who's going to much improved more than us? Why do other teams like Mia get credit for getting better because they have young guys, but our young guys are just status quo?

Indy and NJ are the only teams without major FA issues, but is NJ going to resign KMART and RJ to close to max $$$? They are on rookie contracts now and NJ already has a hig payroll. Remember thanks to Zo, Kidd earns about $20 mill a year.

We have argued this but Det will have a VERY tough time keeping Okur and Sheed

Mia has limited resources and Odom had his first injury free year EVER. What if he misses his status quo 30-40 games next year?

NO is gone, ejoy the West, welcome the Bobcats to the NBA East.

Cle cant beat anybody without Jeff McGinnis and they rely on a center with 4 foot surgeries.

Is Bos really planning on Doc playing the 3 #1s they draft this year, plus Marcus Banks and Kendrick Perkins?

Who knows what Was is doing... but despite some nice young talent they are terrible. If you want to talk about Stackhouse I will talk about Allan Houston

Mil is built around TJ Ford (broken neck?) KVH, Joe Smith, they want to resign Toni Kukoc but arent getting any younger..

I mean come on... every team except Indy has pretty major offseason issues. I'm sure some teams will make good decisions, I'm sure some teams will make bad ones.

so i guess you know for a fact that h2o going on 34 years old next year who said his leg needed to be in a cast will play 80 games 38 minutes a night. can i get odds on that?

Posted by BRIGGS:

so i guess you know for a fact that h2o going on 34 years old next year who said his leg needed to be in a cast will play 80 games 38 minutes a night. can i get odds on that?

Absolutely. And the Knicks could just hand him the ball in the 4th quarter and ride his ability to hit his jumper. That would make a really good 4th seed!!!! Home court in round one baby!!!!!

And if he doesn't get healthy? Stick Shandon and Demarr in that spot...and watch that 45 turn into 32.

We can't push 45 wins we gotta push winning the championship.

"Okafor[who is better than any knick frontcourt player by far]" I find this to be almost downright ridiculous. Mike Sweetney played in the Big East two years ago with ZERO future NBAers on his team and put up equal to better numbers vs. Okafor.

Okafor, junior year: 18 points, 12 boards, probably 4-5 bpg (on a team with probably 5 future NBA players in Gordon, Boone, Villanueva, RAnderson, and possibly DBrown)
Sweetney, junior year: (going off the top of my head since I can't find his stats) I believe it was 20+ ppg, 10+ rpg, and 3 bpg.

I'm not disputing Okafor is a great player, I'm just pointing out that Sweetney and Okafor had very similar seasons their final yaer of college, and now Sweetney has a year of NBA experience under his belt. Plus, Okafor has a bad back. Where is that IF..THEN statement. WHAT IF Orlando gets Okafor? Yeah, will they still don't have a PG and WHAT IF McGrady demands a trade or WHAT IF McGrady hurts his back or WHAT IF Okafor hurts his back.

Briggs, it seems your whole theory on the Demise of the New York Knicks Circa 04-05 is based on a bunch of "IF..THEN.." Premises. IF CHICAGO gets Jamison, ok, what then? They will win 30 games instead of 20? Milwaukee has TJ Ford, who was getting surgery ON HIS SPINAL CORD last time I checked. How have the Bucks been w/o Ford? Pretty bad. Chance for improvement: Low. Cleveland will definitely improve, I'm not disputing that. WHAT IF LeBron pulls a Kobe and sexually assaults some girl. There goes their season (and don't tell me you saw this whole Kobe/Hotel Room disaster coming). Boston is fading faster than Ewing after he becmae a Sonic, the Hornets are gone. So Miami and Cleveland will improve. WHAT IF Lamar Odom smokes pot again. Out for year. See you later Miami.

Do you see what I'm saying? Do you see how annoying this is?

OK, let's say Houston gets hurt (odds: 2:1), let's just hope Isiah has som foresigh an signs Steven Jackson. So you're telling me Jackson, after not commanding $1 mil/year last year is going to get more than the MLE? Please. I think Jackson is a better overall player than Houston. The Knicks were above .500 with Marbury, above .500 with Wilkens. The majority of time there was somebody hurt. Say next year this squad plays:
PG: Marbury, Williams
SG: Jackson, Anderson
SF: TThomas, Penny
PF: KThomas, Sweetney
C: Mohammed, Baker

They sill could turn Mutumbo/Harrington into somthing, and even without that I'd say that team wins 45 games. 50 would be a possibility.

"We can't push 45 wins we gotta push winning the championship" I love when people make these statements, as if Isiah can come in from the team he had last year and just magically create this championship team. KG needed, what, 7 seasons to get the "right players" around him to "push winning the championship." The Lakers w/ Kobe and Shaq took a few years, the Kings still haven't made a finals, and neither have the Mavs.

These things take a while. Will the Knicks win a championship with Marbury? Probably not, but if you ask me to be realistic I'd at least ask and expect you to be fair and realisitic as well.

Though a lot of people here want Stephen Jackson to be a Knick, I guarantee you guys that there is a better chance of Jamal Crawford becoming a Knick. Isiah likes Crawford better and Crawford has said that he would like to be a Knick. I would love to have Stephen Jackson here but I just don't see it happening. I'll be happy if we get either one of the guys, Crawford has the talent to become a superstar.

Posted by BRIGGS:

so i guess you know for a fact that h2o going on 34 years old next year who said his leg needed to be in a cast will play 80 games 38 minutes a night. can i get odds on that?

you're right, there's no guarantee houston will be back to form next season. actually, i'd rather he play 30-35 mins/game next season before the playoffs and believe me, those 30-35 mins instead of shandon help tremendously. but with that being said, this is the first time in his career that he's been hurt so he can come back. secondly, his game isn't dependant on athleticism. all he has to do is stand on the wing and get the ball for the jumper so even if he slows down, it won't affect his offensive game.

going into the season with a frank/steph/penny 3 guard rotation and a healthy tim thomas, we still go over .500. we can get by next season without houston (since we're not gonna be contending for a title), then when penny and tim enter their final years, we can make a major move for another player.

so i agree, h20 could never play again, but we're not as bad off without him as well. remember, tim was out a bunch of games as well after the trade, and using a 30 game barometer w/ a team in flux is not something we can go by.

i know, i know - another excuse right? but again, it's a valid one.