I'll agree that Barg's hasn't approached anything resembling the hopes and dreams, but there have been flashes that would possibly mean he could be at least more valuable than Chris Smith.

Shump was the key to the future just about 8 games ago folks, right? Was the Texas trip all that long ago?

Am I in an Alzheimer's clinic already?

jrodmc wrote:Welcome to the latest chapter of the what have you done for me lately club.

I'll agree that Barg's hasn't approached anything resembling the hopes and dreams, but there have been flashes that would possibly mean he could be at least more valuable than Chris Smith.

Shump was the key to the future just about 8 games ago folks, right? Was the Texas trip all that long ago?

Am I in an Alzheimer's clinic already?

SJUknicksfan wrote:I disagree. Shumpert brings a lot to this team even though he's not a scorer. Him being out will hurt us on defense.

Dissagree, while he sometimes plays good defense, he makes a lot of mental mistakes that cost us. For one, he gambles to much and gets out of position (averaging 1.2 steals for someone who gambles a lot)...and then there's the stupid fouls and bad switches. All of that is mental immaturity. Just doesn't look like he's focused all the time. He showed that focus in Texas, then it disappeared again. Not saying the kid doesn't have talent, he has shown that he does. Tyler's story should be an example to him. The fact that no other team is interested in Shumpert should be an indication that maybe we are biased as Knicks fans. I've rooted for him, I still want to root for him...but he doesn't deserve starters minutes especially when players like THJ and Tyler are working hard and improving and should earn more minutes.

Maybe our offense just doesn't suit him. He is not a spot up shooter and can't create his own shot. I see him run the court in transition only to find he is the only Knick in the front court with 2,3 or 4 defensive players already set up. He needs to be on a young team that runs IMHO. Also, I am tired of his mental mistakes. He is a bench player on any other team at best at this point. He would need to earn his minutes on any other team. I am very happy to see him sit for a few games. It will give others more minutes and we will see how well the team play without him. I hope I am wrong, but I think they will be just fine w/o this Shump. If he gets it together, I will welcome that...but he isn't showing any signs of coming out of his mental funk.

We should have dumped Shump last year for Bledsoe or Dragic or who ever.

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Welcome to the latest chapter of the what have you done for me lately club.

I'll agree that Barg's hasn't approached anything resembling the hopes and dreams, but there have been flashes that would possibly mean he could be at least more valuable than Chris Smith.

Shump was the key to the future just about 8 games ago folks, right? Was the Texas trip all that long ago?

Am I in an Alzheimer's clinic already?

Shump hasn't played well since his rookie season, and even that was only on the defensive end of the court
No thanks to Andrea Gar-Boj-I
Chris Smith isn't taking minutes away from better players. The comparison doesn't work.

By golly, and here I thought you were one of the flagwavers touting how the next stupid Dolanite move was going to be a package of Shump and our next 1st rounder from 2027 for Rudy Gay? My bad.

I'll say the same thing to you that I did to your pro-bono client/defendant tkf: look at Barg's shot charts and tell me how the combination of 3's, creating off the dribble at 7ft and man-up D on the big boys so far this season doesn't add up to being worth more than a Chris Smith good riddance?

Tyler's benefitting as much from Kenyon and Amare's breakdowns as he is from Barg's. I'd still take Bargs long term against the likes of Hibbert than Tyler right now, or are you putting a lot more value on what appears to be a rather small sample size from Tyler, et tu Bonn-Brute?

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Welcome to the latest chapter of the what have you done for me lately club.

I'll agree that Barg's hasn't approached anything resembling the hopes and dreams, but there have been flashes that would possibly mean he could be at least more valuable than Chris Smith.

Shump was the key to the future just about 8 games ago folks, right? Was the Texas trip all that long ago?

Am I in an Alzheimer's clinic already?

Shump hasn't played well since his rookie season, and even that was only on the defensive end of the court
No thanks to Andrea Gar-Boj-I
Chris Smith isn't taking minutes away from better players. The comparison doesn't work.

By golly, and here I thought you were one of the flagwavers touting how the next stupid Dolanite move was going to be a package of Shump and our next 1st rounder from 2027 for Rudy Gay? My bad.

I'll say the same thing to you that I did to your pro-bono client/defendant tkf: look at Barg's shot charts and tell me how the combination of 3's, creating off the dribble at 7ft and man-up D on the big boys so far this season doesn't add up to being worth more than a Chris Smith good riddance?

Tyler's benefitting as much from Kenyon and Amare's breakdowns as he is from Barg's. I'd still take Bargs long term against the likes of Hibbert than Tyler right now, or are you putting a lot more value on what appears to be a rather small sample size from Tyler, et tu Bonn-Brute?

In one year--as in next year--no one will care about Bargnani(actually hes all done as a Knick now). Bargs never played on one winning team for a reason. He has a lot of talent but he's much more of a European player--he really doesnt like contact--Tyler has hit the floor more in 7 games than Ive seen Bargs in how many years in this leagu(and the one time he hit it he broke his arm!). He's slow-footed inconsistent in various aspects of the game. One night he cant shoot the next night he cant rebound hes not a good passer. Stats dont lie--he was the third worst rated player for W's in the NBA. And funny we remove him and we start winning. Tyler is not Bargs *right now* but by the time Tyler is 24 he will be a really good NBA player who does more things to help a team win. Tyler for this team might be a saving grace down the road. I know some people like to look at one year at a time--but there is a solid possibility we can sign Tyler to a 3-4 years contract after this year that runs 2-3mm. We can get value out of him. Bargs is NOT worth 12mm+ and we have 0 as in NONE nada big men signed past next year. IF Jeremy Tyler was a senior in college basketball--hes be a top 5 pick in the draft--who is better Anthony Bennett Kelly Olynck Alex Len or Jeremy Tyler? We have a nice player here--now we need to be smart to keep him long term.

NYKBocker wrote:I love Shump but with the state of the Knicks right now, he is one of a few assets we have that can actually get us back something that is worthwhile. THJr potential makes trading Shump a no brainer.

I like them both, especially because THJ is a SG and Shump is a SF (IMO). I like the ideal of THJ, Shump, and Melo on the court together. I like Chandler as the 5. And we need another miracle walk-on at the 1