Making the playoffs is all they can offer,when they become mature some will leave for free agency and the team is splintered up from what it was.

There must be a mix of veterans on the team and then add a few youths on rookie contracts isn't that what the Pacers did ?

Previously all they did was make the playoffs and the Knicks themselves achieved that.

But to put together a Championship team you need seasoned vets.

Riddle me this, what team has won the Championships with all yoots ?

My point is you can make the playoffs with youth and you can make the playoffs with vets.

But to win a Championship today it must be led with Vets with yoots sparingly playing a role.

When the knicks went to the finals in 1994 and 1999 WHO WAS OUR YOOTS LEADING THE WAY ?????

Too many are clamoring about yoots and draft choices, but what are the going to win when it comes to Championships?

You need more vets than youth to win it all, but all you hear about on this site is yoots. Making the playoffs isn't a big deal for teams who just make it in and get bounced early.

Just trying to bring some reality to some of you guys and your unrealistic expectations.

Yoots are fun to watch , but they aren't winning no Championship, even Charles Barkley knows that.

playa2 wrote:Nobody mention 12 guys on rookie contracts , that would be the old clippers scheme of things.

Too many are clamoring about yoots and draft choices, but what are the going to win when it comes to Championships?

You need more vets than youth to win it all, but all you hear about on this site is yoots. Making the playoffs isn't a big deal for teams who just make it in and get bounced early.

Just trying to bring some reality to of some of you guys unrealistic expectations.

Yoots are fun to watch , but they aren't winning no Championship, even Charles Barkley knows that.

kingofelpaso wrote:

playa2 wrote:

arkrud wrote:It is more about growing your high picks into studs and later picks/acquisitions into vets.
Young players play many years and became vets. Right?
Good management use any available avenues to make the organization better according to the plan.
Bad organizations just gamble on whats available on the market to piecemeal something together.
It may actually work once in a while in 100 years among 100 teams... But that's about it.

The last yoot leading the way to win a champiosnhip I believe was Earvin Magic Johnson, do you know how long ago that was ?

Players today aren't groomed that way anymore, some don't even love the game(Eddie Curry- Andrew Bynum) anymore.

This. The idea is never that you acquire as many younger players as possible and then automatically ride them to a championship. Instead, the idea around rebuilding behind draft picks and younger players is that you acquire talent with potential and cultivate a team that fits together based upon those young players.

You cite Magic as the last young player to take his team to a championship, but thats a bit short sighted. Look at the Thunder built around Westbrook, Durant (and what should also include James Harden). That team is built around repeated good draft picks kept all chosen to fit together and grow into a cohesive and repeatedly competitive team. Golden State is getting close to the same thing with Curry and Klay as a backcourt. While neither of those teams have won championships (yet), I think we can all agree those teams are in good standing be legitimate title contenders within the next 5 years or so. Youths eventually develop into the veterans that will win.

The current CBA no longer allows teams to acquire superstars in bunches. The only way to try to rebuild a successful team these days is to do it through the draft.

Those teams you mentioned won't win it all with no Vets leading the way, they will falter in the end and come up short and free agency will separate them. Isn't that what happen to OKC with Harden walking away.

You need a veteran team and then you add yoots and marginal role players, this is the way you win Championships today.

Boston showed you as did Miami, stop believing this pipe dream of yoots, all they show is potential they don't win you Chips.

As soon as a young team get close and get good , somebody think they can earn more and they leave.

Your foundation can't be those types of yoots, it must be veterans who are set and all they want to do is win A Championship , they already made their money.

franco12 wrote:

playa2 wrote:

kingofelpaso wrote:

playa2 wrote:

arkrud wrote:It is more about growing your high picks into studs and later picks/acquisitions into vets.
Young players play many years and became vets. Right?
Good management use any available avenues to make the organization better according to the plan.
Bad organizations just gamble on whats available on the market to piecemeal something together.
It may actually work once in a while in 100 years among 100 teams... But that's about it.

The last yoot leading the way to win a champiosnhip I believe was Earvin Magic Johnson, do you know how long ago that was ?

Players today aren't groomed that way anymore, some don't even love the game(Eddie Curry- Andrew Bynum) anymore.

This. The idea is never that you acquire as many younger players as possible and then automatically ride them to a championship. Instead, the idea around rebuilding behind draft picks and younger players is that you acquire talent with potential and cultivate a team that fits together based upon those young players.

You cite Magic as the last young player to take his team to a championship, but thats a bit short sighted. Look at the Thunder built around Westbrook, Durant (and what should also include James Harden). That team is built around repeated good draft picks kept all chosen to fit together and grow into a cohesive and repeatedly competitive team. Golden State is getting close to the same thing with Curry and Klay as a backcourt. While neither of those teams have won championships (yet), I think we can all agree those teams are in good standing be legitimate title contenders within the next 5 years or so. Youths eventually develop into the veterans that will win.

The current CBA no longer allows teams to acquire superstars in bunches. The only way to try to rebuild a successful team these days is to do it through the draft.

Those teams you mentioned won't win it all with no Vets leading the way, they will falter in the end and come up short and free agency will separate them. Isn't that what happen to OKC with Harden walking away.

You need a veteran team and then you add yoots and marginal role players, this is the way you win Championships today.

Boston showed you as did Miami, stop believing this pipe dream of yoots, all they show is potential they don't win you Chips.

As soon as a young team get close and get good , somebody think they can earn more and they leave.

Your foundation can't be those types of yoots, it must be veterans who are set and all they want to do is win A Championship , they already made their money.

Wrong - Boston stockpiled youth and draft picks- which put Danny Ainge in the position to call up his old colleague McHale to add KG and Ray Allen to the player (Pierce) they had drafted and groomed for years.

And LeBron & Bosh don't go to Miami without Wade already being there, as drafted by Riley.

So the point is you do have to build up an organization the right way, and bankrupting your talent leaves you with overpaid has been stars that are hurt or about to walk and one of the weakest supporting casts in the NBA!

Spurs won with Vets and they added a few Yoots, that's how you win now.

Vets set the standard and yoots joined and went along with the standard they set.

Wade won with Shaq who is a vet, and now Wade is the vet, you don't see this do you.

Yoots make you wanna go to the arena for entertainment, but they will always fall short when it comes to the big prize. Look what happen at OKC, Harden walked.

Look what happened to Dwight Howard in Orlando, then he walked !

Look at this and come talk to me. Only Veteran led teams win Chips.

You guys have let TKF AND Briggs and others fool you in this yoots movement to win a championship

http://www.landofbasketball.com/championships/year_by_year.htm

StarksEwing1 wrote:

playa2 wrote:Just because other teams have a bunch of youths, what are they going to win ?

Making the playoffs is all they can offer,when they become mature some will leave for free agency and the team is splintered up from what it was.

There must be a mix of veterans on the team and then add a few youths on rookie contracts isn't that what the Pacers did ?

Previously all they did was make the playoffs and the Knicks themselves achieved that.

But to put together a Championship team you need seasoned vets.

Riddle me this, what team has won the Championships with all yoots ?

My point is you can make the playoffs with youth and you can make the playoffs with vets.

But to win a Championship today it must be led with Vets with yoots sparingly playing a role.

When the knicks went to the finals in 1994 and 1999 WHO WAS OUR YOOTS LEADING THE WAY ?????

You seem to make multiple threads on teh same topic. We get it you dont value draft picks which is fine. But lets be honest playa besides last year the Knicks have been pretty terrible by going for veterans and trading youth/draft picks. So to be fair your way ahsnt worked out too well since 2000

When have I mentioned the knicks as the example of how to win with Dolan and Isiah sabotaging the knicks ?

They make decisions to spite the fan base and only made the right choices when they allowed real basketball mind professionals make the decisions on personnel. Checketts and Riley and Grunfeld

CrushAlot wrote:

playa2 wrote:The Nets have a team of veterans and have added marginal players and just traded away Marshon Taylor 2nd yr guy.
BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO WIN A TITLE , not just making the playoffs, that's the trend some have not grasped and accepted yet.

Weren't they trying to open a roster spot so that they could use the exception they got for Bropez? Also, Taylor isn't that good.

But they( Nets) are good. There are two type of franchises that win.

One wants to keep entertaining with young talent and hope they get lucky and mainly wilts under playoff pressure in 4th qtr.

The other are teams who are trying to win a title (NOW) that has seasoned Veterans who need some young legs to come on board and help them in 82 game reg season & help get them playoff position where they (VETS) lead the team in playoffs.

gunsnewing wrote:Someone say Yoots?

Exactly.

You need five guys whose offensive skill sets fit like shrink wrap on a package of chicken thighs.

You need guys who can play as one, on defense.

Age is just a number.