holfresh wrote:People would trade Melo for Kukoc??

And Boozer...don't forget Boozer...

EnySpree wrote:It's funny how Melo sucks to some and then to others it sends like not even LeBron is good enough to trade Melo.

Yeah, it confuses me too. How much you want to bet that the guys who are being smart asses haven't even seen Mirotic play or are familiar with the hype surrounding him?

VCoug wrote:I'd do it but we need to be able to get a pick or two from them. They haven't traded any of their own first rounders and they a highly protected pick from Sacramento and a protected pick from Charlotte that loses protection in 2016. We should be able to get the Sacramento pick (which will probably never be a 1st with all its protections) and another one, preferably Charlotte's but that might be unrealistic.

I only intended the proposal to be about the principles but at the same time, I wasn't too sure if we could demand picks back. Remember that the Bulls WILL have the cap space to sign him outright this offseason AND keep Mirotic. The only incentive they have to make a deal for Melo at the moment, is that they can preserve their amnesty, to use it on Joakim Noah or Derrick Rose, if one of the two continue to break down (which is likely). Maybe that fact could be our counter-leverage.

VCoug wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:I'd do it but we need to be able to get a pick or two from them. They haven't traded any of their own first rounders and they a highly protected pick from Sacramento and a protected pick from Charlotte that loses protection in 2016. We should be able to get the Sacramento pick (which will probably never be a 1st with all its protections) and another one, preferably Charlotte's but that might be unrealistic.

I only intended the proposal to be about the principles but at the same time, I wasn't too sure if we could demand picks back. Remember that the Bulls WILL have the cap space to sign him outright this offseason AND keep Mirotic. The only incentive they have to make a deal for Melo at the moment, is that they can preserve their amnesty, to use it on Joakim Noah or Derrick Rose, if one of the two continue to break down (which is likely). Maybe that fact could be our counter-leverage.

Even if they amnesty Boozer I don't think they'd be quite far enough under the cap to sign Melo to a max deal. Amnestying Boozer would put them about $14M under the current cap but if Melo wants a max deal they'd still probably have to dump Taj Gibson's contract. Of course, if Melo is willing to take less than the max that's a completely different story.

But you're right, we have very little leverage in any potential Melo deal. I wouldn't expect to receive two young prospects, a 1st, and the right to swap firsts in any potential trade. I think Mirotic, Sacramento's first (which has a ton of protection; it's top 10 protected through 2017 at which point they would trade their 2nd round pick), and another first (probably Chicago's but Charlotte's in my fantasies) isn't that much.

Actually, I didn't realize that they'd only have the $14 million in cap space. You got some good points. With all that being the case, maybe we should ask for Jimmy Butler back. Would that be overkill?

VCoug wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:I'd do it but we need to be able to get a pick or two from them. They haven't traded any of their own first rounders and they a highly protected pick from Sacramento and a protected pick from Charlotte that loses protection in 2016. We should be able to get the Sacramento pick (which will probably never be a 1st with all its protections) and another one, preferably Charlotte's but that might be unrealistic.

I only intended the proposal to be about the principles but at the same time, I wasn't too sure if we could demand picks back. Remember that the Bulls WILL have the cap space to sign him outright this offseason AND keep Mirotic. The only incentive they have to make a deal for Melo at the moment, is that they can preserve their amnesty, to use it on Joakim Noah or Derrick Rose, if one of the two continue to break down (which is likely). Maybe that fact could be our counter-leverage.

Even if they amnesty Boozer I don't think they'd be quite far enough under the cap to sign Melo to a max deal. Amnestying Boozer would put them about $14M under the current cap but if Melo wants a max deal they'd still probably have to dump Taj Gibson's contract. Of course, if Melo is willing to take less than the max that's a completely different story.

But you're right, we have very little leverage in any potential Melo deal. I wouldn't expect to receive two young prospects, a 1st, and the right to swap firsts in any potential trade. I think Mirotic, Sacramento's first (which has a ton of protection; it's top 10 protected through 2017 at which point they would trade their 2nd round pick), and another first (probably Chicago's but Charlotte's in my fantasies) isn't that much.

Actually, I didn't realize that they'd only have the $14 million in cap space. You got some good points. With all that being the case, maybe we should ask for Jimmy Butler back. Would that be overkill?

Hmm, everyone was all over him last year as a future superstar but looking at his numbers this year... his raw numbers aren't very good and his advanced stats are good not great. It certainly wouldn't hurt to ask and if we had to throw in Shumpert or Hardaway to get it done I would do it.

I'd give up Shumpert for him but I'd be hesitant to give up Hardaway who I think could be an above average player in the league. Any chance we could dump Smith's contract on them too, with Melo?