playa2 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:2:43 left. Where the **** is Jeremy Tyler, the kid that is shooting 100% at the moment and has uber-potential?

He was a fouling machine in the third quarter. But the game is over and Tyson looked spent before the game.

I don't get Tysons rep here as a leader and veteran presence. He's so weak mentally that I hope no one is looking to follow his lead

Chandler is the only guy that actually goes to battle for this team in the paint. It's unreasonable to expect him to do all of that without some help. Outside of Chandler and Melo (possibly Tyler and Hardaway), no one on this team is worth a damn.

I bet you Cole Aldrich would have helped Chandler in the paint.

Crawford is speaking now. I remember people on this board called him Crawfall. Now he is doing just fine. Seem when we chase good players out of town they do better. Melo don't need this and it probably won't get better next season. These young players we have like Murray just seems ok but I do not see him ever being a starter. If something don't happen fast all I can see is dark days ahead. I just can't see Felton as a starting point guard.

CrushAlot wrote:Shump 2 points in the last two games. 20 points total in his last 5 games. No way a team can win with that as the starting shooting guard.

Imagine if we had traded him for Dudley and a 1st rounder (like what the Suns were offering) when we had the chance. We would've had the opportunity to get Eric Bledsoe this past offseason and draft an Isiah Canaan or Pierre Jackson (who is the rage of the D-league). It breaks my heart to know of the opportunities we pissed away.

NardDogNation wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Crawford is speaking now. I remember people on this board called him Crawfall. Now he is doing just fine. Seem when we chase good players out of town they do better. Melo don't need this and it probably won't get better next season. These young players we have like Murray just seems ok but I do not see him ever being a starter. If something don't happen fast all I can see is dark days ahead. I just can't see Felton as a starting point guard.

Yeah, I'm already over the Murry hype. He just seemed like he had potential because of how ****ty our PG platoon is. I still like Tyler though and would like to develop both he and Hardaway Jr. Unfortunately, neither is good enough to help us meaningful in the short term. The only thing we can do at this point is trade Melo and start the rebuilding process.

That will mean 10 years on the dark side. When have we ever rebuilt a team. I would wait and see if Melo can talk a super star to play with him in New York.

NardDogNation wrote:

Papabear wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Crawford is speaking now. I remember people on this board called him Crawfall. Now he is doing just fine. Seem when we chase good players out of town they do better. Melo don't need this and it probably won't get better next season. These young players we have like Murray just seems ok but I do not see him ever being a starter. If something don't happen fast all I can see is dark days ahead. I just can't see Felton as a starting point guard.

Yeah, I'm already over the Murry hype. He just seemed like he had potential because of how ****ty our PG platoon is. I still like Tyler though and would like to develop both he and Hardaway Jr. Unfortunately, neither is good enough to help us meaningful in the short term. The only thing we can do at this point is trade Melo and start the rebuilding process.

Papabear Says

That will mean 10 years on the dark side. When have we ever rebuilt a team. I would wait and see if Melo can talk a super star to play with him in New York.

I get your point. I don't have confidence in our current management's ability to successfully rebuild this team but it is definitely the right move to make. At this pace, Melo is going to break down and then we'll be stuck with Allan Houston/Amar'e Stoudemire 2.0 and destroy the only real asset we actually have. I think it's best to cash out now before any of that happens and maybe see if we can swing a deal with the Bulls for their contracts and picks.

The Bulls are rebuilding what make you think they want Melo? Look I think the Bulls are starting to second guess Rose health. They are in rebuild mode.

Papabear wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Papabear wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Crawford is speaking now. I remember people on this board called him Crawfall. Now he is doing just fine. Seem when we chase good players out of town they do better. Melo don't need this and it probably won't get better next season. These young players we have like Murray just seems ok but I do not see him ever being a starter. If something don't happen fast all I can see is dark days ahead. I just can't see Felton as a starting point guard.

Yeah, I'm already over the Murry hype. He just seemed like he had potential because of how ****ty our PG platoon is. I still like Tyler though and would like to develop both he and Hardaway Jr. Unfortunately, neither is good enough to help us meaningful in the short term. The only thing we can do at this point is trade Melo and start the rebuilding process.

Papabear Says

That will mean 10 years on the dark side. When have we ever rebuilt a team. I would wait and see if Melo can talk a super star to play with him in New York.

I get your point. I don't have confidence in our current management's ability to successfully rebuild this team but it is definitely the right move to make. At this pace, Melo is going to break down and then we'll be stuck with Allan Houston/Amar'e Stoudemire 2.0 and destroy the only real asset we actually have. I think it's best to cash out now before any of that happens and maybe see if we can swing a deal with the Bulls for their contracts and picks.

Papabear Says

The Bulls are rebuilding what make you think they want Melo? Look I think the Bulls are starting to second guess Rose health. They are in rebuild mode.

I was under the impression that they were retooling, not rebuilding. Considering Rose's (and Noah's) health though, the safer thing for them to do is rebuild from the ground up. Time will tell.

Dagger wrote:

Vmart wrote:It's official Shump is a Chump and needs to be dumped. I no longer think Shump is a viable option. I'll take a second rounder for him today, tomorrow and the next day.

I wouldn't mind seeing him traded as well, but second rounders are pretty much worthless. Who's the best non-European to come out of the second round? I can think of any really good players whatsoever. Second round picks at best turn into average players. I'd rather get another player for shump than 1 second round pick. I'd do it for two second rounders, but one just isn't enough.

Rashard Lewis (all-star), Manu Ginobli (perennial all-star; Argentinian not European so he counts), Michael Redd (perennial all-star), Gilbert Arenas (perennial all-star), Carlos Boozer (all-star)....the list is pretty lengthy.

Vmart wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Dagger wrote:

Vmart wrote:It's official Shump is a Chump and needs to be dumped. I no longer think Shump is a viable option. I'll take a second rounder for him today, tomorrow and the next day.

I wouldn't mind seeing him traded as well, but second rounders are pretty much worthless. Who's the best non-European to come out of the second round? I can think of any really good players whatsoever. Second round picks at best turn into average players. I'd rather get another player for shump than 1 second round pick. I'd do it for two second rounders, but one just isn't enough.

Rashard Lewis (all-star), Manu Ginobli (perennial all-star; Argentinian not European so he counts), Michael Redd (perennial all-star), Gilbert Arenas (perennial all-star), Carlos Boozer (all-star)....the list is pretty lengthy.

Where was Lilard picked first or second? You got to throw in Stephenson.