The problem is Dolan trusted Isiah, and Isiah really torched him in every way. Bad team, bad environment, bad press, bad everything.

Dolan is like the young fella that loved the pretty girl, she broke his heart and humiliated him, and now he compensates by being a douche in every new relationship. Sucks for Knick fans.

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:I dont hate Dolan as some here... he's a dry drunk hobbit of a man. There isnt a thing I respect about him as an owner but he does spend. What really hurt the Knicks, what really sent us back 20 years was Isiah, because if the Knicks had a GOOD GM who also had a relationship with Dolan like Isiah did we would be contender every year.

The problem is Dolan trusted Isiah, and Isiah really torched him in every way. Bad team, bad environment, bad press, bad everything.

Dolan is like the young fella that loved the pretty girl, she broke his heart and humiliated him, and now he compensates by being a douche in every new relationship. Sucks for Knick fans.

I don't believe Dolan cares about a championship unless he can take some credit outside of just signing the checks. Like an oompa loompa version of Jerry Jones. As long as the money is rolling in Dolan will keep interfering, keep hiring yes men like Steve Mills and firing anyone who disagrees with him in the slightest.

Think about what Isiah was allowed to do here, from signing players to crazy money, making massive trades... one thing about Isiah was he made a lot of moves. He used the draft also and traded for extra picks. Isiah made radical moves. They just sucked.

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:I dont hate Dolan as some here... he's a dry drunk hobbit of a man. There isnt a thing I respect about him as an owner but he does spend. What really hurt the Knicks, what really sent us back 20 years was Isiah, because if the Knicks had a GOOD GM who also had a relationship with Dolan like Isiah did we would be contender every year.

The problem is Dolan trusted Isiah, and Isiah really torched him in every way. Bad team, bad environment, bad press, bad everything.

Dolan is like the young fella that loved the pretty girl, she broke his heart and humiliated him, and now he compensates by being a douche in every new relationship. Sucks for Knick fans.

I don't believe Dolan cares about a championship unless he can take some credit outside of just signing the checks. Like an oompa loompa version of Jerry Jones. As long as the money is rolling in Dolan will keep interfering, keep hiring yes men like Steve Mills and firing anyone who disagrees with him in the slightest.

I agree 100% you just perfectly described it. Think about it... any new relationship has no substance right?

Think about what Isiah was allowed to do here, from signing players to crazy money, making massive trades... one thing about Isiah was he made a lot of moves. He used the draft also and traded for extra picks. Isiah made radical moves. They just sucked.

Have to give Isiah credit, he was masterful in the way he played Dolan. Every GM after him did a better job to one degree or another, but they didn't last as long.

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:I dont hate Dolan as some here... he's a dry drunk hobbit of a man. There isnt a thing I respect about him as an owner but he does spend. What really hurt the Knicks, what really sent us back 20 years was Isiah, because if the Knicks had a GOOD GM who also had a relationship with Dolan like Isiah did we would be contender every year.

The problem is Dolan trusted Isiah, and Isiah really torched him in every way. Bad team, bad environment, bad press, bad everything.

Dolan is like the young fella that loved the pretty girl, she broke his heart and humiliated him, and now he compensates by being a douche in every new relationship. Sucks for Knick fans.

I agree with you to an extent. MSG was handled horribly behind the scene and you can make the case that a lot of it was caused by the atmosphere Isaiah helped create. But on the court, I think Dolan set unrealistic goals that resulted in many of the moves that were made. Isaiah was a horrible GM during his time here. But I'm not sure that many other people would have succeeded if put in the same situation.

Anyway the point is simple that Isiah had massive massive control, and it resulted in Dolan really getting hosed every which way. Now he seems hypersensitive and crazy and thats no way to run anything

Nalod wrote:

franco12 wrote:Don't discount checking out a game at the Nassau Mausoleum - you can get tickets on the glass for much less - in fact, you can get them.

Also - don't discount Prudential Center - I personally don't like the higher bowl - but the lower bowl is nice.

We get to Hurricane games a few times a year and a little time on Stubhub can yield some real good seats. Sat 3 row last year and paid just $55 per seat (needed 4) which is real good. Problem is you can't see the whole ice or the plays as they develope. ITs great to see the skill set up close but I acutully prefer about 40 rows up behind the goal.

Was not even a consideration to see the Game in Uniondale. Im staying in manhatten and prefer to just stay for the game.

Got tix thru Amex and paid face value $115 plus extortion and taxes. Really not bad.

Freaking garden renovations have the place looking great! The skybridge is a hell of thing and for hockey I loved it!!! Sititng about 20 rows form the ice but of course very high. For hockey it really makes sense and I would imagine for basketball it be very good as well. Not sure I'd like to sit high in the Blue seats now and lo0k under it but im not planning on going too much!

The scoreboard is insane!!!!! Its big and clarity is off the charts! New sound system is amazing!

My daughter commented "even the crappy food is good!" Had some great meals while in the City!!!!

Got Knicks here on Tuesday but not sure if I'll make it. I am enjoying watching some games but really quite happy not being too involved this year!

MSG is really a special place to see a game! Great structure. Looked at the banner and how few retired players we have. got me pissed off for a moment! Then had an $11 beer!

Dagger wrote:

Nalod wrote:

MSG is really a special place to see a game! Great structure. Looked at the banner and how few retired players we have. got me pissed off for a moment! Then had an $11 beer!

We have a few retired players, problem is they all played so long ago that they're all 70's players besides Ewing. At least we have like 8 retired jerseys, when I go to mets games and look at the outfield wall it's just pathetic. 1 player, two managers, and jackie robinson's jersey, talk about lackluster.

Mets don't hold on to great players, or get them after their peak. With free agency and steroids players have less identity with one team. Gary Carter number should be retired. but I suppose when you put his "Met" numbers up and look at his best years as an Expo I can see why the distinction gets diluted. Straw's Met career was worthy but it was cut short as we Doc goodens. Hernandez is a near no brainer as might be a guy like Jerry Kooseman. Willie Mays was never a great Met and I get why they are not willing to put his up. At least the mets are not willing to dilute the honor and the same could be said for the Knicks!

Piazza should be in the HOF and since his best years were as a met he should be so honored with his number retired at Citi. Doc and Straw had such promising careers and were trending greatness so early but the grip of drug addiction and a shorter Met career is not worthy of the honor.

Wasn't Jerry Grote the catcher for both the 69' and 73' pennant teams? If so, while his numbers were not great, it was in an era when catchers did not put up big numbers (for the most part) but he had a long met career and was distinguished by a world series and 2 league pennants!