Dagger wrote:But I thought Griffin was so good he doesn't need cp3! Hogwash, just as I said, this overrated dunker will be exposed now that cp3 is out. Without the best pg in the league feeding this dude he's a good player at best, not a star. I do not want this dude on the Knicks, talk about one-dimensional!

Yup, I have wanted nothing to do with blake since his rookie season. Dude gets punked by players every other game. He is basically another Amare with more rebounds and less heart. We have seen how that story ends when they lose their athleticism. I have not even opened that ESPN Clippers rumor thread. I don't think the Knicks are dumb enough to do a Blake for Melo swap.

Doc Rivers denied the Los Angeles Clippers' part in possible trade talks involving Blake Griffin and termed the speculation about Carmelo Anthony as "so stupid."

"My whole issue with any of that ... is that that network to me reports a story that they created and then they do reports on it for the next two days, on a story that they created," Rivers said. "But it's stupid."

Rivers said he did not need to talk to Griffin about the rumors. Griffin leads the Clippers in scoring (22.1) and minutes played (36.6), and he is second in rebounding (10.6) and assists (3.1).

"I didn't say a word about it," said Rivers, who is also the Clippers' vice president of basketball operations and has the last word on trades. "I just thought it was such a non-story."

rofl!!! kill that dumb rumor.. no wonder now all of the blake bashing.. talk about sour grapes.....

NardDogNation wrote:

Dagger wrote:But I thought Griffin was so good he doesn't need cp3! Hogwash, just as I said, this overrated dunker will be exposed now that cp3 is out. Without the best pg in the league feeding this dude he's a good player at best, not a star. I do not want this dude on the Knicks, talk about one-dimensional!

You know what's really comical to me? Blake Griffin, according to the Melo-haters, is suppose to be this multi-dimensional player that affects the game in so many different ways. Taking points out of the equation, Blake Griffin averages 11rpg, 3apg, 1spg and 0.7bpg in 37mpg. Meanwhile Melo averages 9rpg, 2.8apg, 1spg and 0.7bpg in 39.3mpg. When you ponder all of that, bare in mind that Melo gives up 20lbs, 2 inches and otherworldly leaping ability to Blake. Evidently these huge physical advantages can only create a 2rpg, 0.2apg difference between both players and evidently that is the difference between being a Renaissance Man (Griffin) and one-dimensional (Melo). You gotta love irrational hate and bias sometimes, lol.

This is just pathetic.. you resort to attacking blake Griffin to defend this bum carmelo... I don't know why? the clippers don't want anything to do with melo.. Blake is a great player.. Blake not only has better numbers but he is not even close to reaching his prime.. If you are pissed that people are bashing carmelo, bashing blake does not make it go away...

What some of you don't understand is few think Grif is a better player than Melo.

Question is do you want something in return for melo? Does Melo fit on the clips. Would he resign with that team.

Without the promise Melo carries very little trade value because of that leverage.

Its just business. Maybe another team like griff and we do a three way. Maybe Minny sees Love leaving and love would sign on with us. Then you do a three way. Is Love better than griff? Of course he is. Maybe Minny would rather have him then NOTHING which Love can provide them by just leaving when his time is up.

Leverage. Its just business kids, just business.

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Dagger wrote:But I thought Griffin was so good he doesn't need cp3! Hogwash, just as I said, this overrated dunker will be exposed now that cp3 is out. Without the best pg in the league feeding this dude he's a good player at best, not a star. I do not want this dude on the Knicks, talk about one-dimensional!

You know what's really comical to me? Blake Griffin, according to the Melo-haters, is suppose to be this multi-dimensional player that affects the game in so many different ways. Taking points out of the equation, Blake Griffin averages 11rpg, 3apg, 1spg and 0.7bpg in 37mpg. Meanwhile Melo averages 9rpg, 2.8apg, 1spg and 0.7bpg in 39.3mpg. When you ponder all of that, bare in mind that Melo gives up 20lbs, 2 inches and otherworldly leaping ability to Blake. Evidently these huge physical advantages can only create a 2rpg, 0.2apg difference between both players and evidently that is the difference between being a Renaissance Man (Griffin) and one-dimensional (Melo). You gotta love irrational hate and bias sometimes, lol.

This is just pathetic.. you resort to attacking blake Griffin to defend this bum carmelo... I don't know why? the clippers don't want anything to do with melo.. Blake is a great player.. Blake not only has better numbers but he is not even close to reaching his prime.. If you are pissed that people are bashing carmelo, bashing blake does not make it go away...

I think its safe to say that if the right deal came along most posters here would be fine with Melo being traded. This meme you keep repeating over and over that not liking a Griffin for Melo trade is just about protecting Melo is infantile.

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Dagger wrote:But I thought Griffin was so good he doesn't need cp3! Hogwash, just as I said, this overrated dunker will be exposed now that cp3 is out. Without the best pg in the league feeding this dude he's a good player at best, not a star. I do not want this dude on the Knicks, talk about one-dimensional!

You know what's really comical to me? Blake Griffin, according to the Melo-haters, is suppose to be this multi-dimensional player that affects the game in so many different ways. Taking points out of the equation, Blake Griffin averages 11rpg, 3apg, 1spg and 0.7bpg in 37mpg. Meanwhile Melo averages 9rpg, 2.8apg, 1spg and 0.7bpg in 39.3mpg. When you ponder all of that, bare in mind that Melo gives up 20lbs, 2 inches and otherworldly leaping ability to Blake. Evidently these huge physical advantages can only create a 2rpg, 0.2apg difference between both players and evidently that is the difference between being a Renaissance Man (Griffin) and one-dimensional (Melo). You gotta love irrational hate and bias sometimes, lol.

This is just pathetic.. you resort to attacking blake Griffin to defend this bum carmelo... I don't know why? the clippers don't want anything to do with melo.. Blake is a great player.. Blake not only has better numbers but he is not even close to reaching his prime.. If you are pissed that people are bashing carmelo, bashing blake does not make it go away...

tkf: Let me preface this by saying that my opinion on Melo's basketball abilities aligns much closer to posters like you, Bonn, guns, dk7th, etc. I don't necessarily hate the guy personally but am not a fan of his game and think volume scoring is vastly overrated.

However, I would honestly be interested in your thoughts (or any other posters for that matter who is versed in advanced metrics)on the numbers NardDog posted comparing Blake to Carmelo. I am HORRIBLE at math, stats, all that stuff in general but I have faith in those basketball stats gurus like Morey, etc who do understand and evaluate this stuff and generally agree with their opinions.

Basically, if someone on here who is a stats person could address the numbers NardDog posted to compare the two id like to see a statistically based rebuttal instead of "don't bash Blake to defend Carmelo". I know for one you could say Blake is much younger and can improve. But what else? Honest question.

I also agree with GustavBahler that most fans wouldn't mind seeing Melo be traded if we got something halfway decent in return. Love him or hate him, signing one dimensional players on the wrong side of 30 to 120+ mil contracts isn't smart. Allan Houston, AHEM, cough, Allan Houston.

H1AND1 wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Dagger wrote:But I thought Griffin was so good he doesn't need cp3! Hogwash, just as I said, this overrated dunker will be exposed now that cp3 is out. Without the best pg in the league feeding this dude he's a good player at best, not a star. I do not want this dude on the Knicks, talk about one-dimensional!

You know what's really comical to me? Blake Griffin, according to the Melo-haters, is suppose to be this multi-dimensional player that affects the game in so many different ways. Taking points out of the equation, Blake Griffin averages 11rpg, 3apg, 1spg and 0.7bpg in 37mpg. Meanwhile Melo averages 9rpg, 2.8apg, 1spg and 0.7bpg in 39.3mpg. When you ponder all of that, bare in mind that Melo gives up 20lbs, 2 inches and otherworldly leaping ability to Blake. Evidently these huge physical advantages can only create a 2rpg, 0.2apg difference between both players and evidently that is the difference between being a Renaissance Man (Griffin) and one-dimensional (Melo). You gotta love irrational hate and bias sometimes, lol.

This is just pathetic.. you resort to attacking blake Griffin to defend this bum carmelo... I don't know why? the clippers don't want anything to do with melo.. Blake is a great player.. Blake not only has better numbers but he is not even close to reaching his prime.. If you are pissed that people are bashing carmelo, bashing blake does not make it go away...

tkf: Let me preface this by saying that my opinion on Melo's basketball abilities aligns much closer to posters like you, Bonn, guns, dk7th, etc. I don't necessarily hate the guy personally but am not a fan of his game and think volume scoring is vastly overrated.

However, I would honestly be interested in your thoughts (or any other posters for that matter who is versed in advanced metrics)on the numbers NardDog posted comparing Blake to Carmelo. I am HORRIBLE at math, stats, all that stuff in general but I have faith in those basketball stats gurus like Morey, etc who do understand and evaluate this stuff and generally agree with their opinions.

Basically, if someone on here who is a stats person could address the numbers NardDog posted to compare the two id like to see a statistically based rebuttal instead of "don't bash Blake to defend Carmelo". I know for one you could say Blake is much younger and can improve. But what else? Honest question.

I also agree with GustavBahler that most fans wouldn't mind seeing Melo be traded if we got something halfway decent in return. Love him or hate him, signing one dimensional players on the wrong side of 30 to 120+ mil contracts isn't smart. Allan Houston, AHEM, cough, Allan Houston.

Dagger wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Dagger wrote:But I thought Griffin was so good he doesn't need cp3! Hogwash, just as I said, this overrated dunker will be exposed now that cp3 is out. Without the best pg in the league feeding this dude he's a good player at best, not a star. I do not want this dude on the Knicks, talk about one-dimensional!

You know what's really comical to me? Blake Griffin, according to the Melo-haters, is suppose to be this multi-dimensional player that affects the game in so many different ways. Taking points out of the equation, Blake Griffin averages 11rpg, 3apg, 1spg and 0.7bpg in 37mpg. Meanwhile Melo averages 9rpg, 2.8apg, 1spg and 0.7bpg in 39.3mpg. When you ponder all of that, bare in mind that Melo gives up 20lbs, 2 inches and otherworldly leaping ability to Blake. Evidently these huge physical advantages can only create a 2rpg, 0.2apg difference between both players and evidently that is the difference between being a Renaissance Man (Griffin) and one-dimensional (Melo). You gotta love irrational hate and bias sometimes, lol.

This is just pathetic.. you resort to attacking blake Griffin to defend this bum carmelo... I don't know why? the clippers don't want anything to do with melo.. Blake is a great player.. Blake not only has better numbers but he is not even close to reaching his prime.. If you are pissed that people are bashing carmelo, bashing blake does not make it go away...

I think its safe to say that if the right deal came along most posters here would be fine with Melo being traded. This meme you keep repeating over and over that not liking a Griffin for Melo trade is just about protecting Melo is infantile.

Exactly! Most posters have absolutely zero interest in protecting melo but he only sees the world through melo-obsessed glasses so what can you expect. I just don't think Griffin is a star, he is a good player and great dunker that has been pumped up by the media because of his highlight reel potential. He's very limited IMO, has nothing to do with defending melo.

Just to get this out of the way, Melo is my favorite player in the league (along with 1b's: Kobe, Boris Diaw, Carlos Boozer, Kevin Love, Brook Lopez, Marc Gasol and Andre Igoudala). Even so, I'm a bigger Knick fan, and know that the writing is on the wall: we don't have the means to improve the team, we likely won't get the tools to do so anytime soon AND Melo is likely to break down in the next few years. I want us to trade the dude yesterday and do a full rebuild to see what we can put together in the 2015 offseason.

The intent of this thread isn't to protect Melo. It's just to put things into perspective about Blake. I don't mind the guy but I don't think his game meets the hype of so many. There has been a lot of talk about him being better than Melo and I think it's nonsense. With CP3 gone this point is becoming clearer and clearer. That was my point, which tkf missed because of his blind, irrational hate of Melo.

Nalod wrote:Few players can "carry a team". Melo can in short stretches when hot and healthy!

What some of you don't understand is few think Grif is a better player than Melo.

Question is do you want something in return for melo? Does Melo fit on the clips. Would he resign with that team.

Without the promise Melo carries very little trade value because of that leverage.

Its just business. Maybe another team like griff and we do a three way. Maybe Minny sees Love leaving and love would sign on with us. Then you do a three way. Is Love better than griff? Of course he is. Maybe Minny would rather have him then NOTHING which Love can provide them by just leaving when his time is up.

Leverage. Its just business kids, just business.

few? I think every publication especially ESPN has blake ranked ahead of carmelo....