VDesai wrote:

Clean wrote:

VDesai wrote:

holfresh wrote:

VDesai wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

VDesai wrote:

anrst wrote:

VDesai wrote:Guys I really don't get all the hate on the JR shot. You can hold the ball and never get that wide open look. If you have a wide open look you take it so you can get the lead. Sorry, but I doubt we would've gotten a look that good after an ISO.

hold it for last shot ... best case you win... worst case it's ot

OR you have a wide open look at the basket which leaves you with the highest probability of taking the lead. More often than not you don't get a better look than that.

Agreed but he was 1-6 or something like that when he took the shot. He was ice cold. Not the time to be rolling the dice like that.

Yeah but he's a shooter. You always think you're gonna make your next shot. Especially when you get a look like that. Last year he's making that shot every time.

He can't take that shot at that time...JR was the guy that went nuts when Bargs did the same thing...

Totally different when you have the lead and the game is over vs. when the game is tied and you need to take the lead. This isn't the same situation at all.

Worst case in not shooting the ball is overtime. Worst case in taking the shot JR did is we lose. I am failing to see your logic in why that was the right shot to take.

What about the best case where you make the open shot - which is the highest percentage play.

This is simple- would you rather have an open 3 or would you rather burn off 13 seconds doing nothing and use the last 5 to go one on one and take a contested shot? Because the latter is what ends up happening most of the time, and most of the time that doesn't work. You spend your entire offense lookign for an open shot and when one presents itself like that you take it.

The highest probability of winning to me comes from getting an open shot and then defending the lead from 15 seconds rather than try the iso ball and have to win in overtime.

I don't hate the shot- I hate that he missed, but that was a friggin great look at the basket.

If we are going to go with best case then why don't we go to the actual best case and someone hits a shot at the buzzer giving the other team no chance to win. The "best case" you just said was in actuality not the beast case because the other team gets the ball back with a chance to tie or win.

VDesai wrote:The problem with waiting for the buzzer is you wait for the defense to come to you and you get the most difficult look. I'd rather take the easy look, totally undefended, get a 3 pt lead, and then defend it. I believe that is the higher percentage play.

Even with the miss the Knicks still had plenty of opportunities for overtime. I thought the last possession was far more broken given that there were guys that should've shot and we ended up with too much passing and an off balance floater.

But you give the other team a chance to win the game in regulation if u miss ..

VDesai wrote:The problem with waiting for the buzzer is you wait for the defense to come to you and you get the most difficult look. I'd rather take the easy look, totally undefended, get a 3 pt lead, and then defend it. I believe that is the higher percentage play.

Even with the miss the Knicks still had plenty of opportunities for overtime. I thought the last possession was far more broken given that there were guys that should've shot and we ended up with too much passing and an off balance floater.

The bold is the problem with your logic. You are not guaranteed to hit the shot. So if you miss the shot instead of overtime you are looking at possibly losing the game. Remember you are more likely to miss 3pt shots if your open or not. This is why it is rare that people shoot above 50% from 3 over a long period of time. I would rather take my chances with a contested shot with no time left than an open 3 with 18 seconds left in a tie game.

TeamBall wrote:I'm hearing that JR said he thought we were down 2??

I'm not sure which is worse of the three..him not knowing the game was tied, him taking the shot or him admitting he didn't know ...

CrushAlot wrote:Melo a bit critical of beno.

what did he say?

anrst wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:I'm hearing that JR said he thought we were down 2??

I'm not sure which is worse of the three..him not knowing the game was tied, him taking the shot or him admitting he didn't know ...

he really admitted that?

Clean wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Melo a bit critical of beno.

what did he say?

In substance he said Beno should've taken the shot when the ball swung to him in the corner/elbow (I agree--he was open) and he also said when Tyson got that big offensive rebound and threw it to Beno, he was surprised Beno didn't just hold the ball instead of immediately passing it to JR up top (I agree with that as well).

Gotta take the good with the bad with this dude Udrih -- he can make a mid-range J and he's fairly aggressive with his penetration (albeit not overly quick which hurts him) but on the flip side, he's turnover prone, a piss-poor defender and he doesn't possess the type of IQ you'd expect from a PG who's been around as long as he has (NBA and Europe). Unfortunately, the negatives have been really surprising and outweigh the positives. That's this guy in a nutshell.