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BRIGGS
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1/2/2014  4:35 PM
this is next years team as well. We have no cap space draft picks nor do I think they want to take on contracts. It is what it is.
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franco12
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1/2/2014  4:40 PM
and management will probably point to our 54 wins last year as the bench mark- chalk this year up to injuries, and hope everyone comes back healthy again next year.

And given that we have our pick next year, they probably pull it off, win 43 games and end up with a crap pick!

Vmart
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1/2/2014  4:43 PM
I think they will S&T Melo as per his wishes.
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1/2/2014  5:13 PM
No problem with that as at least we have our first rounder!
tkf
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1/2/2014  8:05 PM
BRIGGS wrote:this is next years team as well. We have no cap space draft picks nor do I think they want to take on contracts. It is what it is.

that sucks!

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1/3/2014  2:29 AM
Vmart wrote:I think they will S&T Melo as per his wishes.

I thought that there was a rule implemented that teams over the cap can't participate in s&t's?? Something along those lines??

Anyway I wouldn't be shocked if we let him walk for nothing. Were good at screwing ourselves like that.

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1/3/2014  3:25 AM
The rules with sign and trades is that a team receiving a player in a sign-and-trade deal must be under the tax. The team sending a signed player must take on less salary than what they give out.

In addition, signed and traded players only get the four-year deal they'd get if they signed with the new team directly, which basically means that Melo would have to take a pay cut if he wanted Chicago that badly. If Melo had his heart set on Chicago and New York flipped him for some package centered Deng and the two first rounders they have, I'd understand that. If I don't get a good deal, I'd be okay with letting Melo walk for nothing. Getting "something" is a misnomer. Without first round picks and taking on long-term money only hinders the team. The good news is that if Melo walks, there's a one-year window to absolutely suck and get a good draft pick.

As far as the team structure of the Knicks goes, that was done on purpose with the Bargnani trade. Trying to make significant change with Amare eating a third of the cap is an exercise in futility. There's no reason to bother right now. You can either look at it as the ability to add a better player than Melo later or having Melo go and hitting the reset button when Amar'e and Chandler come off the books.

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1/3/2014  4:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/3/2014  4:32 AM
y2zipper wrote:The rules with sign and trades is that a team receiving a player in a sign-and-trade deal must be under the tax. The team sending a signed player must take on less salary than what they give out.

In addition, signed and traded players only get the four-year deal they'd get if they signed with the new team directly, which basically means that Melo would have to take a pay cut if he wanted Chicago that badly.


Then what's the point of the sign and trade? Why not just sign directly with the new team?
y2zipper
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1/3/2014  12:20 PM
That's exactly my point. Sign and trades don't benefit the player. If Melo wanted to go to Chicago, they'd have to pay up if they didn't have the cap room. In the new CBA, you really won't see those anymore.
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1/3/2014  3:04 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
y2zipper wrote:The rules with sign and trades is that a team receiving a player in a sign-and-trade deal must be under the tax. The team sending a signed player must take on less salary than what they give out.

In addition, signed and traded players only get the four-year deal they'd get if they signed with the new team directly, which basically means that Melo would have to take a pay cut if he wanted Chicago that badly.


Then what's the point of the sign and trade? Why not just sign directly with the new team?

The only benefit is if the player wants to sign with a team that has a salary between near the salary cap and less than $4M over the luxury tax. Other than that there is no benefit.

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1/3/2014  5:53 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
y2zipper wrote:The rules with sign and trades is that a team receiving a player in a sign-and-trade deal must be under the tax. The team sending a signed player must take on less salary than what they give out.

In addition, signed and traded players only get the four-year deal they'd get if they signed with the new team directly, which basically means that Melo would have to take a pay cut if he wanted Chicago that badly.


Then what's the point of the sign and trade? Why not just sign directly with the new team?

I would imagine it would come in handy with a team that is over the cap that can't sign the player outright. They could then move players they have under contract for the free agent.

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