Tyson is back, we just had a break and have the Spurs tonight. Great place to start.
Happy New Years guys and Knicks.

Good read here: http://www.sbnation.com/2013/12/13/5206658/knicks-trade-draft-picks-history-james-dolan-hook

NardDogNation wrote:For the love of God, trade Melo to the Clippers, Griffin to the Nuggets and get back our pick (all in package deals ) before Denver realizes we can't turn things around. If Chandler is included to the Clippers deal for DeAndre Jordan, maybe we could sucker the Cavs into giving up their 1st round pick for Jordan and possibly a Jeff Green type through a third team. At this point, it couldn't be more clear that we need to rebuild and that we should have the means to really jump start the process. Can you imagine how amazing it would be to walk away with the 1st and 7th overall picks in this draft and never having to deal with the likes of JR Smith, Chris Smith, or Raymond Felton again?

why does anyone think we could get the Clippers to give up Griffin?

But yes, this organization should see the flaws on the team, realize Melo is likely to bolt and make the moves now to try to re-tool.

I'd be happy getting a second rounder for Melo and clearing cap room and building the right way.

franco12 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:For the love of God, trade Melo to the Clippers, Griffin to the Nuggets and get back our pick (all in package deals ) before Denver realizes we can't turn things around. If Chandler is included to the Clippers deal for DeAndre Jordan, maybe we could sucker the Cavs into giving up their 1st round pick for Jordan and possibly a Jeff Green type through a third team. At this point, it couldn't be more clear that we need to rebuild and that we should have the means to really jump start the process. Can you imagine how amazing it would be to walk away with the 1st and 7th overall picks in this draft and never having to deal with the likes of JR Smith, Chris Smith, or Raymond Felton again?

why does anyone think we could get the Clippers to give up Griffin?

But yes, this organization should see the flaws on the team, realize Melo is likely to bolt and make the moves now to try to re-tool.

I'd be happy getting a second rounder for Melo and clearing cap room and building the right way.

Melo bolting or wanting to leave would be the best thing to ever happen to this team. They need to trade him, as you say, not only because he may want to leave but because he needs to GO!

Get assets back. You can 3 productive players who miss shots at the end of a game for his salary! The other 3 guys may just do enough during the game and not put the team in such a bad position and that wont even matter then. Get picks back for Melo and Chandler. Get balls back for JR and Fatton and Peace. LEt the rest stay and learn to play the game again under a new YOUNG and hungry coach.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

franco12 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:For the love of God, trade Melo to the Clippers, Griffin to the Nuggets and get back our pick (all in package deals ) before Denver realizes we can't turn things around. If Chandler is included to the Clippers deal for DeAndre Jordan, maybe we could sucker the Cavs into giving up their 1st round pick for Jordan and possibly a Jeff Green type through a third team. At this point, it couldn't be more clear that we need to rebuild and that we should have the means to really jump start the process. Can you imagine how amazing it would be to walk away with the 1st and 7th overall picks in this draft and never having to deal with the likes of JR Smith, Chris Smith, or Raymond Felton again?

why does anyone think we could get the Clippers to give up Griffin?

But yes, this organization should see the flaws on the team, realize Melo is likely to bolt and make the moves now to try to re-tool.

I'd be happy getting a second rounder for Melo and clearing cap room and building the right way.

Melo bolting or wanting to leave would be the best thing to ever happen to this team. They need to trade him, as you say, not only because he may want to leave but because he needs to GO!

Get assets back. You can 3 productive players who miss shots at the end of a game for his salary! The other 3 guys may just do enough during the game and not put the team in such a bad position and that wont even matter then. Get picks back for Melo and Chandler. Get balls back for JR and Fatton and Peace. LEt the rest stay and learn to play the game again under a new YOUNG and hungry coach.

Dude, Melo is not the problem here. Everything else around Melo is the problem. He's the kind of talent that turns a 17 win Nuggets roster into a 43 win team the following year; except for the fact that we have the better version of that. He just now happens to have the misfortune of dealing with a $21 million albatross of a contract, an injured supporting cast, JR Smith, Mike Woodson and an incompetent front office that thinks trading assets for Andrea Bargnani is a good idea. Like I said, Melo isn't the problem. The only problem he presents is the probability of him leaving us, without getting back any assets. That's why we trade him.

BRIGGS wrote:

franco12 wrote:we've done this before - LeMarcus Aldridge anyone? Eddy Curry - 2006 second pick in the draft!

Good read here: http://www.sbnation.com/2013/12/13/5206658/knicks-trade-draft-picks-history-james-dolan-hook

If we kept the picks its likely we d have a great team built for a decade. We have all of those high picks and nothing to show for it. Thats why people are mad--because we should already be rebuilt

Yeah, all that BS about 'oh you can't rebuild in new york'- utter crap- we've put up with horrific losing seasons but not got ANY of the reward that comes with them. Depressing...

NardDogNation wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

franco12 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:For the love of God, trade Melo to the Clippers, Griffin to the Nuggets and get back our pick (all in package deals ) before Denver realizes we can't turn things around. If Chandler is included to the Clippers deal for DeAndre Jordan, maybe we could sucker the Cavs into giving up their 1st round pick for Jordan and possibly a Jeff Green type through a third team. At this point, it couldn't be more clear that we need to rebuild and that we should have the means to really jump start the process. Can you imagine how amazing it would be to walk away with the 1st and 7th overall picks in this draft and never having to deal with the likes of JR Smith, Chris Smith, or Raymond Felton again?

why does anyone think we could get the Clippers to give up Griffin?

But yes, this organization should see the flaws on the team, realize Melo is likely to bolt and make the moves now to try to re-tool.

I'd be happy getting a second rounder for Melo and clearing cap room and building the right way.

Melo bolting or wanting to leave would be the best thing to ever happen to this team. They need to trade him, as you say, not only because he may want to leave but because he needs to GO!

Get assets back. You can 3 productive players who miss shots at the end of a game for his salary! The other 3 guys may just do enough during the game and not put the team in such a bad position and that wont even matter then. Get picks back for Melo and Chandler. Get balls back for JR and Fatton and Peace. LEt the rest stay and learn to play the game again under a new YOUNG and hungry coach.

Dude, Melo is not the problem here. Everything else around Melo is the problem. He's the kind of talent that turns a 17 win Nuggets roster into a 43 win team the following year; except for the fact that we have the better version of that. He just now happens to have the misfortune of dealing with a $21 million albatross of a contract, an injured supporting cast, JR Smith, Mike Woodson and an incompetent front office that thinks trading assets for Andrea Bargnani is a good idea. Like I said, Melo isn't the problem. The only problem he presents is the probability of him leaving us, without getting back any assets. That's why we trade him.

All Melo had to do was not say anything and sign here as a free agent. We would have all our picks and assets to build the right team. But even with what we had, it would have been pretty damn good. We probably wouldn't have fallen in to get Lin, but he isn't here anyway. Gallo is just the exact type of player for his position to have next to Melo.

Really, not to be anti Melo, but he essentially ruined this team by how he got himself here. If he really wanted to win, he would not have did what he did. Any dummy could see that. And that other dummy, Dummy Dolan bid against himself, so no free pass on either side.

The problem is not having the assets to build WITH a player of that caliber. If you can't, then its time to diversify.

Knicks are always trying to build with a player but they come at too high a price.

don't blame melo for not coming as a free agent, or for him leaving. He owes us nothing. He made his decison and knicks agreed to do the trade. Nobody put a gun to Dolans head and forced him to trade half the team and picks.

Fans have to also realize when other fans propose trades they are not based on anything but that fans opinion. For all we know Clipps have no interest at all. Or Do the Lakers. Maybe at a certain discount they would. That irony would suck for knicks and their fans.

Imagine all we gave up for melo and after all Denver receives they get Jabari Parker at age 19 and he might be as good, if not better then Melo?

Thats some serious karma ironic shyt right there!

NardDogNation wrote:

franco12 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:For the love of God, trade Melo to the Clippers, Griffin to the Nuggets and get back our pick (all in package deals ) before Denver realizes we can't turn things around. If Chandler is included to the Clippers deal for DeAndre Jordan, maybe we could sucker the Cavs into giving up their 1st round pick for Jordan and possibly a Jeff Green type through a third team. At this point, it couldn't be more clear that we need to rebuild and that we should have the means to really jump start the process. Can you imagine how amazing it would be to walk away with the 1st and 7th overall picks in this draft and never having to deal with the likes of JR Smith, Chris Smith, or Raymond Felton again?

why does anyone think we could get the Clippers to give up Griffin?

But yes, this organization should see the flaws on the team, realize Melo is likely to bolt and make the moves now to try to re-tool.

I'd be happy getting a second rounder for Melo and clearing cap room and building the right way.

You're an idiot if you think all that Melo gets you is a 2nd rounder. I get how Blake Griffin can be a reach but at least a star is being dealt for a star. In any case, I do think that a deal like this has legs because all signs point to the Clippers wanting to win now and Melo offers them a better chance to do that. He is a far more accomplished scorer and is close friends with CP3, who would endorse the deal. When you add in other pieces like Tyson Chandler and a Kenneth Faried, I think it helps to dramatically improve the Clippers and make them true title contenders.

It's become fashion for the anti-Melo crowd to routinely **** on Melo but people forget that just last year, he took an Indiana team to 6 games that nearly beat Miami in the subsequent series. This of course happened with a broken down Tyson Chandler (who helped tremendously in getting this far but was a no-show that series) and a supporting cast that couldn't shoot into the ocean. Now, imagine what he'd be like next to a legitimate superstar that compliments his game and vice versa: enter CP3. Now, imagine that next to accomplished shooters that can space the floor like JJ Redick and Jamal Crawford. It's a true, pick your poison scenario offensively with Tyson Chandler there to clean up the defensive end without the bone-headed plays, poor free throw shooting or other liabilities that DeAndre Jordan presents. This is why the Clippers make the move.

For the record - I don't think we couldn't get more than a second round pick for Melo - just that I would be happy with one!

Griffin I think is a reach. I don't know that Melo is better- look, Griffin is a lot younger, and if he were on the Knicks, I wouldn't trade him for Melo.

But I think I agree with the notion that we don't have the assets coming to capitalize on Melo right now - he is at his peak, and I don't see the parts coming here to help get him and us over the hump. Better to start from scratch.

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

franco12 wrote:we've done this before - LeMarcus Aldridge anyone? Eddy Curry - 2006 second pick in the draft!

Good read here: http://www.sbnation.com/2013/12/13/5206658/knicks-trade-draft-picks-history-james-dolan-hook

If we kept the picks its likely we d have a great team built for a decade. We have all of those high picks and nothing to show for it. Thats why people are mad--because we should already be rebuilt

Yeah, all that BS about 'oh you can't rebuild in new york'- utter crap- we've put up with horrific losing seasons but not got ANY of the reward that comes with them. Depressing...

The most successful we've been since the championship years has been during the Ewing era, where we drafted Patrick Ewing, Mark Jackson, Rod Strickland and developed guys like John Starks and Anthony Mason. I'm not sure where all this "we can't rebuild" stuff came from but it IS nonsense because it's been done before AND with other NY franchise e.g. the Giants (Eli Manning) and Yankees (Jeter, Posada, Rivera).