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Coulda, woulda, shoulda- if you knew in the offseason what you know now, what moves would you have made?
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smackeddog
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12/29/2013  10:38 AM
For me, with hindsight, I would have pushed a Tyson & anything for Bledsoe and Deandre Jordan. I apologise to those board members who called for this and got the thumbs down from me! Jordan would be a bad contract, and the Clips get an upgrade at C- better deal than they ended up doing.:

Bledsoe is averaging 18.9 points, 6.3 assists, 4.5 rebounds and 1.5 steals while shooting 49.5 percent from the field, all while earning just $2.6 million. By comparison, the Bulls paid Derrick Rose $1.8 million per game for the 10 appearances he made prior to his season-ending knee injury.

Suns GM Ryan McDonough hasn’t gotten enough hype for plucking Bledsoe, and there’s an argument to be made that his trade for Bledsoe belongs in the same discussion as Houston’s trade for James Harden, especially when it comes to short-term results. By comparison, Bledsoe is cheaper than Harden was because of his draft order slot, the Suns are overachieving more than the Rockets did last season (so far), Bledsoe’s 21.5 PER is comparable to Harden’s 23 PER from last season, there’s little question that Bledsoe is a better two-way player (in that he actually competes on both ends), and Phoenix’s return package has been a pittance compared to Houston’s bounty for Harden.

Rockets GM Daryl Morey is credited for making one of the best trades in recent years in snagging Harden — and rightfully so — but he did part with a Sixth Man of the Year candidate, a young prospect who has blossomed into a rotation player and a lottery pick to get it done. What did McDonough pay to get Bledsoe? Jared Dudley, a 2014 second-round pick and the money owed to Caron Butler, whose contract he later ditched for two lower-cost players. As for Dudley, he has a PER of 8.9, which ranks among the worst for starters at his position.

http://nba.si.com/2013/12/24/all-stocking-stuffer-eric-bledsoe-nick-young-robin-lopez/

Plus he plays defense. Weep!

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12/29/2013  10:43 AM
Wasnt aware a deal for Bledsoe was in place.

Doesnt shoulda woulda imply something the Knicks had the ability to do but didnt?

I knew Bargnani was a waste of a trade, and he still is, we needed pg depth and a backup big.

Ironically the same team we just dealt with has a pg we could have used.

also knowing hardaway is a shooter and was why the team drafted him...there was no need for JR Smith.

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12/29/2013  10:57 AM
knickscity wrote:Wasnt aware a deal for Bledsoe was in place.

Doesnt shoulda woulda imply something the Knicks had the ability to do but didnt?

I knew Bargnani was a waste of a trade, and he still is, we needed pg depth and a backup big.

Ironically the same team we just dealt with has a pg we could have used.

also knowing hardaway is a shooter and was why the team drafted him...there was no need for JR Smith.

I think the Clips would have bit on Tyson, or at least Tyson and Shump- way better deal than the crap they got from the Suns!

Bargs trade was beyond a huge mistake- he is a team defense and team chemistry killer. We could have used the pick to get Lowry! Bargs has played better this season than last season, but no other team would be mad enough to trade a first for him- that shows how much we got fleeced.

To be free of JR would have been glorious. Unfortunately we painted ourselves into a corner by making secret deals the last two times he signed with us. Since he took less then , we likely promised to reward him when we could. We also took on Chris Smith- sent out a terrible message. Still, it's what we deserve for trying to circumvent the cap.

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12/29/2013  11:16 AM
Would have traded shumpert when we had the chance. Signed Bobby Brown. Kept Ike diogu.

Sigh.... Chandler and shump for Bledsoe and Jordan sound Good now don't it?

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12/29/2013  11:38 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2013  11:39 AM
No brainer

Diogu was the No. 9 overall draft choice during the 2005 NBA draft after starring as a member of the Arizona State Sun Devils. He won both the Pac-10 Player of the Year and Freshman of the Year awards during his time at Arizona State and was a second-team All-American in 2005.

He played well during pre season.

Kept Ike. Cut Chris.

Piece of cake

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12/29/2013  11:39 AM
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12/29/2013  11:45 AM
Austin Powers Questionnaire

smackeddog wrote:

Q. Sex? (m/f)

Powers: Yes please.

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12/29/2013  11:55 AM
misterearl wrote:Austin Powers Questionnaire

smackeddog wrote:

Q. Sex? (m/f)

Powers: Yes please.

Ha! He just looks so much more poised and stable than Felton- Felton always looks like he's about to lose control of the ball when he drives to the hoop.

I think he deserves more exposure than what he's getting- it's crazy that the Suns have the record they do. Still, it kind of gives me hope- every year there is a player or two that is obtainable and has a break through (Harden, Lin, Bledsoe etc)- unfortunately we are still focused on getting players who have already broken through and are pushing 30, rather than focusing resources on younger players who are on the cusp.

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12/29/2013  12:00 PM
Actually, now I think about it, didn't we almost trade Shump for Dudley at the trade deadline? Argh! We could have then traded Dudley and a second rounder for Bledsoe in the offseason!
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12/29/2013  12:56 PM
I would have made the trade for Isiah Thomas.
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12/29/2013  1:06 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:I would have made the trade for Isiah Thomas.

You see the Miami game? Sactown is up and coming. They are learning. Cousins really held it together. Miami was bating him into losing his composure and he didn't bite. They were really paying dirty with him.

Isaiah Thomas was doing what he wanted. Very poised and tireless.

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12/29/2013  3:03 PM
EnySpree wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I would have made the trade for Isiah Thomas.

You see the Miami game? Sactown is up and coming. They are learning. Cousins really held it together. Miami was bating him into losing his composure and he didn't bite. They were really paying dirty with him.

Isaiah Thomas was doing what he wanted. Very poised and tireless.

He might not be able to provide much D but he would have been a great fit here because he can finish at the rim and is a great spot up shooter, everything you need on O from a Knicks guard on O scoring wise and I'm sure his assist would go up slightly playing with Chandler on the PnR. Right now there is no one who can attack the rim and finish from the guard position. Oh Well.

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12/29/2013  3:21 PM
All Hindsight. 54 wins masked underlying issues like pg D and lack of a traditional pf , impact of Kidd's departure was underestimated given his crappy shot late in season. A strong pitch for a then disgruntled star in Alridge was my hope and Chandler and Shumpert problably would have done the trick but lets not forget that almost every Knick fan was agaisnt trading our prized Shumpert because we wildly overrated his game and mental strength, the org was slanted to move him but hesitated problably out of fear of fan backlash. Hardaway has been a pleasant surprise, maybe Knicks dont sign the Smiths if they knew what they would have in TJR but they couldnt have signed a better fitting fa like Millsap anyway given luxury cap restrictions. Could have picked up a useful Robin Lopez in a trade though. Bargs trade was OK for the garbage and $ we unloaded, he's a center opposite a traditional pf not a forward starting opposite Melo.

Amare limitations and restrictive $, health problems with Chandler and Felton and sheet play from Shumpert and JR are the reasons for our present problems but this was never a championship squad. Time will eventually resolve some issues but does anyone really have confidence in our FO executing a concise plan to put a well rounded team on court

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12/29/2013  3:26 PM
to me it's not useful to talk about roster moves but more useful to talk about how to form a proper rotation one the moves were made.

1) there should have been an open competition for point guard.
2) it should have been shumpert's job to lose as the shooting guard.
3) bargnani should have never been given a starting role and share the floor with melo.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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12/29/2013  3:41 PM
dk7th wrote:to me it's not useful to talk about roster moves but more useful to talk about how to form a proper rotation one the moves were made.

1) there should have been an open competition for point guard.
2) it should have been shumpert's job to lose as the shooting guard.
3) bargnani should have never been given a starting role and share the floor with melo.

1) They needed different skillsets at pg, having three small pts with similar deficiencies doesnt afford different looks/matchups. Hope they give Murray longer looks now to see if he helps 2) Tired of excuses for Shumpert, his crappy play along with JR are two of our biggest problems 3) Agree , Bargs would be a nice backup to Chandler. Unfortunately there isnt a proper forward on this team next to Melo. Martin is closest complement but nowhere close to ideal and it certainly isnt Amare or Artest. Dont know if he would have stucked but Diogu should have made team out of training camp instead of the other Smith
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