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misterearl
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12/29/2013  8:46 AM
Basketball is a young mans game.

You need veterans to provide maturity and a steady voice to locker room. The most poised veteran is Tyson Chandler (31), and the only one with a ring. He stays.

Toure (24) had 11 points and 6 assists and plays with passion.

Tim Hardaway Jr (21) shoots an efficient 48 per cent from the field and only needs a full season of experience.

Tyler (22) has played six games for Erie, averaging 18 points and 10 rebounds No savior, but willing to do the blue collar work that we desperately miss.

Andrea Bargnani (28) is what he is, a glorified shooting guard who has never been in a fight. He would benefit from a Summer at Rucker Park. He stays. Just because he is 7'.

That is a core of five to keep.

Everyone else can take a hike.

Everyone.

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12/29/2013  8:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2013  8:53 AM
misterearl wrote:Basketball is a young mans game.

You need veterans to provide maturity and a steady voice to locker room. The most poised veteran is Tyson Chandler (31), and the only one with a ring. He stays.

Toure (24) had 11 points and 6 assists and plays with passion.

Tim Hardaway Jr (21) shoots an efficient 48 per cent from the field and only needs a full season of experience.

Tyler (22) has played six games for Erie, averaging 18 points and 10 rebounds No savior, but willing to do the blue collar work that we desperately miss.

Andrea Bargnani (28) is what he is, a glorified shooting guard who has never been in a fight. He would benefit from a Summer at Rucker Park. He stays. Just because he is 7'.

That is a core of five to keep.

Everyone else can take a hike.

Everyone.

Tyson takes off games..He especially needs to go..Last year Woody got on him for effort and not rebounding, he followed with three consecutive 20 rebound games..He had 3 boards last night..

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12/29/2013  8:54 AM
Holfresh - taking games off beats the platoon system.

The Answer Man has a tremendous amount of respect for your opinions, however, Jettisoning Tyson Chandler only thins our frontcourt.

We need quality depth up from and Tyson can provide that.

Now, about those guards....

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12/29/2013  9:00 AM
misterearl wrote:Holfresh - taking games off beats the platoon system.

The Answer Man has a tremendous amount of respect for your opinions, however, Jettisoning Tyson Chandler only thins our frontcourt.

We need quality depth up from and Tyson can provide that.

Now, about those guards....

Tyson was off the last three playoff series too..He commands too much money for the effort..Getting pushed by a no name Center last night..If u wanted to rebuild, he isn't young and won't be around when it matter..Heck he ain't there when it matters now..

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12/29/2013  9:28 AM
misterearl wrote:Holfresh - taking games off beats the platoon system.

The Answer Man has a tremendous amount of respect for your opinions, however, Jettisoning Tyson Chandler only thins our frontcourt.

We need quality depth up from and Tyson can provide that.

Now, about those guards....

Tyson and baths should be gone. Tyson represents value to return younger assets as does Carmel. That's it. We're not a team that needs a Chandler at12mm as a last piece because we don't have the team core. Dump almost everyone and start Hathaway and Murray. Develop them give knick fans some hope

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12/29/2013  9:28 AM
holfresh wrote:
misterearl wrote:Holfresh - taking games off beats the platoon system.

The Answer Man has a tremendous amount of respect for your opinions, however, Jettisoning Tyson Chandler only thins our frontcourt.

We need quality depth up from and Tyson can provide that.

Now, about those guards....

Tyson was off the last three playoff series too..He commands too much money for the effort..Getting pushed by a no name Center last night..If u wanted to rebuild, he isn't young and won't be around when it matter..Heck he ain't there when it matters now..


It looks like he's out of shape right now.
Keeping him depends on the price. He'll be older and need to be on a JR Smith like contract - maybe 3 yrs, $21 mil. I'd have nothing against trading him and Melo in order to rebuild though.
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12/29/2013  10:37 AM
I agree with this. Melo should be sent away for the highest bidder.
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12/29/2013  10:42 AM
Get the hell rid of Beno- his attitude stinks, his defense is diabolical and he is lazy as hell. Upgrade team chemistry just by getting rid of him. Sign Baron Davis to replace him, not because he will actually play, but just to boost the team chemistry. Give Beno's minutes to Murry.

Get rid of Bargs by any means necessary and give his mins to Tyler.

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12/29/2013  11:24 AM
Team Chemistry

The Answer Man digs smackeddog's idea of giving Baron Davis a more prominent role on the team. Hell, giving Davis w a Knicks warmup jacket and game uniform instead of Chris Smith would make The Answer Man's day.

Davis has played at an elite level and respects the game because he understands it can be snatched away in an instant. More than schemes or strategies, Baron Davis would make an outstanding assistant coach because he can communicate the value of giving maximum effort to the profession. Not the game. The profession.

Along the way, players might even enjoy themselves.

What a concept.

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12/29/2013  11:30 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
misterearl wrote:Holfresh - taking games off beats the platoon system.

The Answer Man has a tremendous amount of respect for your opinions, however, Jettisoning Tyson Chandler only thins our frontcourt.

We need quality depth up from and Tyson can provide that.

Now, about those guards....

Tyson was off the last three playoff series too..He commands too much money for the effort..Getting pushed by a no name Center last night..If u wanted to rebuild, he isn't young and won't be around when it matter..Heck he ain't there when it matters now..


It looks like he's out of shape right now.
Keeping him depends on the price. He'll be older and need to be on a JR Smith like contract - maybe 3 yrs, $21 mil. I'd have nothing against trading him and Melo in order to rebuild though.
I think Tyson might go back west to play for MJax and the Warriors on his next contract.
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12/29/2013  11:40 AM
Ill wait for Melo and Felton to come back...The Atlantic can still be had...Have to say I'm tired of watching Shump whine..Tired of seeing JR's little bro...Hopefully someone makes us an offer we can't refuse for all three, JR too...
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12/29/2013  11:52 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2013  11:54 AM
holfresh - if the forgiving/ demanding/ father figure Mike Woodson could only coax one decent regular season out of JRSmith, how many NBA GM's are eager to integrate a solo act and risk the off court distraction?

Not many.

Neck tatoos more hideous when you shoot 35 per cent.

The Smith Brothers gotta go.

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12/29/2013  11:58 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2013  12:00 PM
misterearl wrote:holfresh - if the forgiving/ demanding/ father figure Mike Woodson could only coax one decent regular season out of JRSmith, how many NBA GM's are eager to integrate a solo act and risk the off court distraction?

Not many.

Neck tatoos more hideous when you shoot 35 per cent.

The Smith Brothers gotta go.

It's a sad state of affairs but Dolan undermined his coach and the front office..The players have no respect for them...They know that it ultimately all falls on Dolan's decisions..Did anyone here really think Mills would the making the calls...I would bury Shump on the bench a la Nate Robinson...Smith brothers are unexplainable..I think JR got 18 mil of his deal already up front...

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12/29/2013  12:18 PM
Tyson has always been overrated, but he still has value. We should be looking to trade him for picks. OKC and Portland seems like great places to shop him.

I agree with misterearl. Call up Tyler and start shopping everyone. Unless they look to shop Melo (which they should to Phoenix) he should be starting with young guys. Get whatever you can for everyone else. Get some picks. Even if they're 2nd rounders. Use the 3M we have for a pick. Don't take on salary past this year or next.

Maybe if STAT has a few weeks of great play like last night someone will need him off the bench. Wishful thinking, but maybe.

But it's clear we have to blow this up and start fresh, with or without Melo. It's just too bad this year is the year we don't own our pick. With the way Dolan has managed this team it's deserved though.

Hopefully the disaster this season has become teaches him SOMETHING. I mean, this is worse than any Isaiah year. He took a good thing and tore it apart.

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12/29/2013  12:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2013  12:54 PM
MSG3 For General Manager

MSG3 wrote:Tyson has always been overrated, but he still has value. We should be looking to trade him for picks. OKC and Portland seems like great places to shop him.

I agree with misterearl. Call up Tyler and start shopping everyone. Unless they look to shop Melo (which they should to Phoenix) he should be starting with young guys. Get whatever you can for everyone else. Get some picks. Even if they're 2nd rounders. Use the 3M we have for a pick. Don't take on salary past this year or next.

Maybe if STAT has a few weeks of great play like last night someone will need him off the bench. Wishful thinking, but maybe.

But it's clear we have to blow this up and start fresh, with or without Melo. It's just too bad this year is the year we don't own our pick. With the way Dolan has managed this team it's deserved though.

Hopefully the disaster this season has become teaches him SOMETHING. I mean, this is worse than any Isaiah year. He took a good thing and tore it apart.

Even with Ray Felton at 100 per cent, our (cough) ego-centric skill sets are redundant. Ray is a shoot first guard, playing with a shoot-first All Star. Our shoot first $100M forward plays alongside a shoot-first guard whose brother like to challenge Bill Simmons on twitter for tweeting he truth about his lack of NBA skill.

Our shoot-first first rounder from Toronto has almost as puny a basketball brain as our shoot-first other guard from Georgia Tech who thinks he needs to play angry. Angry at what or who? It's a freakin game.

Other than Pablo Prigioni, There is not a single player who thinks team first. (Toure and THJr need new running buddies before they are poisoned for life)

Not one.

The demeanor of this squad slumps the instant that adversity hits. Rather than rally together, they break apart. Unlike last seasons triumph (fueled by the courage of Kurt Thomas) after the west coast swing, the Texas three step will not be pretty.

Pass out Stephon Marbury Sulk Towels for everyone on the bench.

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12/29/2013  12:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2013  12:55 PM
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12/29/2013  1:04 PM
NYKBocker wrote:I agree with this. Melo should be sent away for the highest bidder.

Melo is not gonna stay on a team he doesn't like, or in a city he doesn't want to live in.
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12/29/2013  1:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2013  1:11 PM
misterearl wrote:

The demeanor of this squad slumps the instant that adversity hits. Rather than rally together, they break apart. Unlike last seasons triumph (fueled by the courage of Kurt Thomas) after the west coast swing, the Texas three step will not be pretty.

They break apart because management is broken apart. Grunwald for Mills was the final straw that broke the camels back.

Isiah wants to frivolously let the knick legacy melt away, he doesn't care about legacy, he's from Chicago and won Chips and played in Detroit and by the way he ruined the CBA League...that's what he do!

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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12/29/2013  1:18 PM
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NYKBocker wrote:I agree with this. Melo should be sent away for the highest bidder.

Melo is not gonna stay on a team he doesn't like, or in a city he doesn't want to live in.

Someone should of told that to Dolan back when he was frantically bidding against himself

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12/29/2013  4:54 PM
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be."

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