1.) The Cavs. They are the only team bad enough, in which a native of their own city (LeBron) would want to leave (and did). Outside of sure-fire picks (Lebron and irving), they have proven to be one of the worst talent evaluators in the league and are similarly awful when it comes to free agent signings (e.g. Larry Hughes, Damon Jones, etc.). They genuinely make me feel better about being a Knick fan.

2.) The Knicks. Despite an abundance of resources, we have only mustered one second round appearance in a dozen years. Worst of all, we have been prone to making the same kind of mistakes during this stretch of ineptitude and show no signs of changing. Year after year, we trade draft picks, often poorly protected, that consistently manage to be lottery or quasi-lottery selections. I could go on, but there is no point in rubbing salt in our collective wounds.

3.) The Nets. It's been a return the norm of futility (sans Rod Thorn) for them. This new lull though, might be bad enough to make James Dolan blush though. Like the Knicks, they have shown a tendency to grossly overpay for talent be it via trade (as far as assets are concerned) or free agent signings (e.g. Travis Outlaw, Johan Petro, Gerald Wallace, Kris Humphries, etc.). The irony of it all is that they could've been a potential powerhouse had they sat tight and kept their draft picks. There is a very real chance that their starting lineup could've been Damien Lillard (PG), Jordan Crawford (SG), Derrick Favors (PF), Enes Kanter (C), Brook Lopez (C). I would've preferred this to what they currently have and have had.

4.) The Bobcats. Pick after pick. Bust after bust. You can't be a small market team and be this inept in the draft. With exception to Kemba Walker, even the picks that have worked out for them, are fringe NBA players at best. Even worse, they don't even have a pick this year in a draft that potentially has several franchise players. They compound these mistakes with bad signings for players nobody wanted at the time e.g. DeSagna Diop, Tyrus Thomas, Matt Carroll or coaches e.g. every coach they've hired after Larry Brown. I get the distinct impression that if the Bobcats had more money to play with, they'd be the Knicks or Cavs, level of inept.

5.) The Hornets. Dell Demps is one of the worst GM's in the league. Had it not been for David Stern nixing that god-awful CP3 trade to the Lakers, this team would've been epically bad. Despite Stern doing him a solid on setting up the trade with the Clippers and gift-wrapping Anthony Davis, Demps has severely handicapped the team by re-signing Eric Gordon to a long term deal, signing Treke Evans to a near max contract when NO ONE was interested in him at that pricetag, trading away TWO LOTTERY PICKS for an above average PG (Jrue Holiday) and drafting Austin Rivers, while giving away Robin Lopez for nothing. Demps is the Average-Joe version of James Dolan.

(Dis)Honorable Mentions (for past indiscretions, despite their ship being righted this season with competent management): The Phoenix Suns, Minnesota Timberwolves and Toronto Raptors (in that order).

Dagger wrote:You forgot the Clippers

The worst I'd list them at is as a dishonorable mention. They've been too good for too long now (2+ seasons) to make the official list, in my opinion.

NardDogNation wrote:

sidsanders wrote:wizards. still below %50 this year, havent done much since the late 70s. draft busts galore, including the boy named jan. given all that, still have a more recent title than the knicks... awful, for both teams.

I think they've done alright for themselves since 2000. Even when they were really bad, post-Arenas, they did an excellent job at drafting players. They might not be with the Wizards now but they are key players on other teams e.g. Joe Crawford, Nick Young, Andray Blatche, JaVale McGee, etc.

all knuckle heads, and stunk with the wizards. they have only been out of the 1st round 1 time in the past 30 years. even with the east as bad as it is, they still are avg at best.

We come off a 54 win season like we are champs.

ONly Milwaukee and Philly have worse records than us.

Funny, Raptors just got a great young GM and making big moves so one can say "they have been poorly run" but currently I think are positioning well. Bobcats and Pelicans are improving and have better records than us. Sacremento with new owners have made some nice moves to increase talent and since the broke Maloofs are out, they have fresh capital. Utah is clearly rebuilding with youth. MIlwaukee seems lost and the Nets are a big question mark.

I'd say other than milwaukee I believe every other team will win a chip before the knicks. banking on Cap space as the future hope is delusional.

CLippers are 20-11 with Doc Rivers as their coach in first place. What once was a laughingstock is no longer. Minny I agree has had a bad run of picks and squandered opportunities. They, like the Pels are just one game below .500.

Nets are perplexing is an understatement. With new ownership and a bold as all get out GM coming off a 49 win season im not giving them a free pass yet, but they can still pull something out. As can we.

Knicks have the third worst record in the league and don't have their pick, and the very player who cost that pick might walk. At this moment in the season makes us really ugly and to call out other teams as laughingstocks over us is pretty sad itself.

Marcala12 wrote:
You mentioned the t-wolves but gave them a pass because of "Recent Competence." Take a look at the standings, the Wolves are not all that competent! They're going to miss the playoffs AGAIN, it'll be the 10th season in a row, the longest drought in the NBA. They're going to lose Klove because they only gave him 3 years when they could have easily given him 5. They built around Rubio, who is the worst shooter in modern NBA history. They had a lot of high picks to work with and blew them all. With Love and all those high draft picks, there were lots of different paths they could have taken to become a solid playoff team at the worst case, and instead they're a lottery team with no hope, with Love sure to walk.

As bad as it's been to be a Knicks fan, it's been more or less mediocre for a few years now, there's worse out there. The Knicks made a lot of questionable decisions over that time, but not many of them were overtly stupid. On the court, they were ok for a couple of years and good last year, now terrible. Future doesn't look great, but they have options when Amare and Bargs come off the books. I'd say there are 8 teams that are run worse than the knicks: Raptors, Wolves, Nets, Bobcats, Cavs, Utah, Sac, Mil

I can't disagree with either of your two major points. While the Knicks may have had fewer bad outcomes than the other teams you mentioned though, I think there is parity because of fact that we have the greatest market in the world and unlimited resources. You would think those two advantages alone would be enough to never suck as bad and as long as we have. Hell, look at the Lakers. They've rebuilt themselves twice this past decade and only missed the playoffs once during that stretch. How, d they do it? They leveraged their city and finances to buy their way to titles. Why couldn't we do the same?

About the Wolves, I would've wholeheartedly agreed with you if David Kahn were still around but I actually think those guys have turned the corner. There is symmetry and balance on the roster and they are good enough to go on a killer win streak to get back into the playoff hunt like the Lakers, last season. Pre-Flip Saunders as GM, I think the Wolves were worse run than the Cavs though.

Marcala12 wrote:

Nalod wrote:You guys are funny. Like looking around trying to see if you girlfriend is not the ugliest in the room. But she is sill ugly.

We come off a 54 win season like we are champs.

ONly Milwaukee and Philly have worse records than us.

Funny, Raptors just got a great young GM and making big moves so one can say "they have been poorly run" but currently I think are positioning well. Bobcats and Pelicans are improving and have better records than us. Sacremento with new owners have made some nice moves to increase talent and since the broke Maloofs are out, they have fresh capital. Utah is clearly rebuilding with youth. MIlwaukee seems lost and the Nets are a big question mark.

I'd say other than milwaukee I believe every other team will win a chip before the knicks. banking on Cap space as the future hope is delusional.

CLippers are 20-11 with Doc Rivers as their coach in first place. What once was a laughingstock is no longer. Minny I agree has had a bad run of picks and squandered opportunities. They, like the Pels are just one game below .500.

Nets are perplexing is an understatement. With new ownership and a bold as all get out GM coming off a 49 win season im not giving them a free pass yet, but they can still pull something out. As can we.

Knicks have the third worst record in the league and don't have their pick, and the very player who cost that pick might walk. At this moment in the season makes us really ugly and to call out other teams as laughingstocks over us is pretty sad itself.

the OP called teams "laughing stocks," i said that there are 8 teams RUN WORSE than us. But I see you're here to spread some holiday cheer by trying to win the "biggest anti-fan of the board award." By me saying there are only 8 teams who are more inept in team management, I'm certainly not being a homer - that's just a realistic assessment of things. Your assessment that they're the 2nd most hopeless team in the league is going a little over board.

If we're going to analyze which teams are managed the best and worst, I think it stands to reason that we would evaluate the way teams have done over the past few years and factor that in with how they're doing this year and what type of situation they're in for the next couple of years. The Knicks did OK for a couple of years, then had a very nice season last year. They're a train wreck this year, but they have some hope once Amare and Bargs come off the books. At least with the knicks you know they're not shy about spending money; they're not efficient with that money and that's why i believe there are 21 teams in the league who are managed better. But having the willing to spend > than not having the willingness to spend. There is some chance they land the right couple of stars in a couple of years. There are some teams that have no chance of doing that.

In your rant, you are clearly putting too much weight into teams' current record through a third of this season. It matters, but it doesn't matter more than the entirety of last season or the last couple of seasons. Jazz, Pelicans, Kings etc... You're saying that perennial cellar dwellers are run better simply because they are trying to get younger or because they've won a couple more games than us this year but still have no shot to make the playoffs??? No, those teams and the Raptors and the Twolves and the Bucks have had zero success for years and years and none of their situations look great going forward either. Would any of those teams have taken the Pacers to six games (up late in the 4th quarter with a 7th game at the Garden ahead) last year? Will any of those teams win squat this year? Will any of those teams have as good a chance to land a couple of legit stars as the knicks once Amare and Bargs are off the bucks? No of course not.

Guys on here get on the knicks for not mathing Jeremy's deal. Factoring in the poison pill and Jeremy's playoff no-show's, i think most rational people would at least say it's debatable. But what isn't debatable is that the knicks were the team that scooped Jeremy for next to nothing when he was on his way out of the league. They had a few decent finds which helped them stay average to slightly above average for a few years. They're not good, but there's worse.

laughingstocks are now in places where good teams used to be. Some teams have changed ownership, bought in new management, or even Sarver of PHX goes public and admits his misstakes and why things are changing.

Your saying the last few years have been pretty good? OK, its like taking a needle of smack and saying "I felt bad for years but now I feel great"......Its leverage. When the buzz is off you realize theres no money in the bank and your losing your house. "But I felt so good"........

Why would anyone even write this thread one third into the season unless an attempt to try to make themselves feel good? Call me a hater? OK, Im hating the current blight but to start getting on teams that are doing better now and have brighter futures is not going to help.

You think Cap space will help? Whose gonna play with Love in NY? More degenerate JR smith types that we have to take a chance on? More defective players? We have no youth, no 2nd round picks. Nets at least have kid tearing up europe. They have Plumlee who might be pretty good. We have Priggs and Kmart. We do have Hardaway Jr. and thats all good there. Oh, Toure Murry really has not shown anything yet and Tyler is our saviour.

Sorry, Im pissed!!!!!! Not hate, just really pissed off!

NardDogNation wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

sidsanders wrote:wizards. still below %50 this year, havent done much since the late 70s. draft busts galore, including the boy named jan. given all that, still have a more recent title than the knicks... awful, for both teams.

I think they've done alright for themselves since 2000. Even when they were really bad, post-Arenas, they did an excellent job at drafting players. They might not be with the Wizards now but they are key players on other teams e.g. Joe Crawford, Nick Young, Andray Blatche, JaVale McGee, etc.

all knuckle heads, and stunk with the wizards. they have only been out of the 1st round 1 time in the past 30 years. even with the east as bad as it is, they still are avg at best.

The Gilbert Arenas Wizards had the misfortune of running into the Lebron James Cavs, most of those years in the playoffs. I don't think there is any shame in losing to him and that team, especially when you consider that at any point, they had 3 all-stars on deck (Gilbert Arenas-Larry Hughes and Antawn Jamison or Gilbert Arenas-Caron Butler-Antawn Jamison).

As for their drafting record, knuckleheads are not, those guys can play and are major contributes to playoff teams right now. I just don't think the Wizards deserve to be on the list, if we're being myopic with our criteria.

none of the picks helped make a diff when they were on the wizards, and they couldnt wait to be rid of them. they bought out blatche and got nothing for him in the end. crawford for scraps/junk, they wanted him gone that bad. young/mcgee for nene "hilarious, who is always hurt (multi team trade). you can go back: ben wallace trade, hamilton trade, webber trade, rasheed trade, trade lottery pick for 1 year of miller/foye (56 L's result)... many many poor front office/talent choices.

they havent won more than 45 games since the 70s, combined with the lack of post season advancement... thats some bad history and is current. without the lockout, they are on a 5 year run of 50+ losses (lockout 46 L's), which for their sake better end this year. arenas added his own bits of comedy: the poop shoes, gun incident, showing up coaches. they have a ton of poor management history to overcome to get off my list. as we saw with the knicks, can they repeat a good year (which to me they havent had yet recently)?

PresIke wrote:lebron is not a native of cleveland, and not every person is attached to their local teams, especially when they are perpetually bad as the cavs were before he showed up for years.

ask a lot of young nyers if they are attached to the knicks. after last year, and since melo and stat came fandom amoung young people i gather increased, but i work with hs students in nyc and many are fans of other good teams over the past few years...

celtics, miami, okc and now indiana and golden state.

so lebron didn't owe them ish as he was not exactly a life long huge cavs lover i am gathering.

cleveland was a good team for several years when dougherty and price were there. jordan formed a roadblock.

jrodmc wrote:At least one of you guys is not funny.

The grass be always greener on the other side of the insta-date chat site. Familarity breeds contempt (just don't call it hate).
Any other girl must be hotter than my wife, cause hell, she's younger! And we all know younger is always better!
Those other franchise's fake starphucque teats are way better than my team's!
I don't give a crap about last year, cuz last year isn't right now!
I don't give a crap about making the playoffs, until I'm not making the playoffs, then I'll beeyatch about it!
I'm not a hater, I'm just a pissed off guy!
Toronto has a great young GM that left Denver on the road to nowhere! But hey, that makes Toronto better than us, cuz he's young, dammit! I bet their owner isn't a drug-addled rich little fat-jazzed troll! Better than us!
Bucks won a chip in 71! Better than us!
Pelicans have a newer logo and team name! Better than ours! We're stupid in orange! They have a plan! And a cool young draft pick!
Nyets are a trainwreck built on a trainwreck, but hey, they're uhh, not as old as we were! Better than us! Prok is hip and cool and rich! Kidd was great for us, until he decided layups were not in his skillset for three months at the end of the season! But hey, he's smart and look how well he's handling rookie coaching! Free Larry Frank, the new head tape splicing/report writing assistant! Remember the Pepsi Cup Incident!
Wolves are mean and haven't won anything at all ever, but they're newer, so better than us! KLove makes cool vids with Kyrie!
Clips were an implosion waiting to happen, but hey, they're 20-10 now! Take that, Vinny DelMonte! Chips Ahoy for the real LA! Who gives a rats azz that they've never won anything! Better than us!
Bobcats have MJ! Lousy management type, but hey, at least he's not IT! MJ don't kill entire leagues! MJ don't get in the truck! Better than us!

Nothing can compare with Knicksucktitude!

IM sorry, did you actually rank your Lauging stocks or just rank?

I guess your pretty happy with things? After all, while we all ranting about what ever and pissed, your in a much better place.