SkyWalker wrote:yea,
Only a matter of time before Melo re-injures that left shoulder badly and needs surgery. I would wait until that happens before proposing any trades. No way the knicks trade Melo unless he comes to them and says he isn't resigning with them.

Yeah I want to wait until he is baldy hurt.

SkyWalker wrote:yea,
Only a matter of time before Melo re-injures that left shoulder badly and needs surgery. I would wait until that happens before proposing any trades. No way the knicks trade Melo unless he comes to them and says he isn't resigning with them.

You would wait until Melo's value is at it's nadir and then trade him? That's the complete opposite of what we should do.

This is unnacceptable to dolan and expect the panic button to get pressed any time.

tkf wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:OK. We really have no other options but to blow this **** up. Melo is our biggest asset and I believe he still has a lot of value. Here are some scenarios where we would get respectable right away.

Trade with Houston
NY Receives - Asik, Lin, Terence Jones, Greg Smith, 2014 1st Round Pick(25th), 2014 2nd Round Pick(33rd), Future 1st Rounder
Houston Receives - Melo

Why would the Knicks do it? We get a 3 starters and a quality backup PF plus picks. Rebuild done in 1 swift motion.
Why would Houston do it? Rockets look good right now but they falter against the top teams in the League. They need that other offensive option after Harden. Parsons is great but you need another closer. A starting 5 of Dwight, Melo, Parsons, Harden and Beverley would be downright scary. Plus they still have a very good bench in Brooks, Garcia, Montiejunas, Casspi and Brewer. They also have a very good DLeague team in the Vipers that they can raid for bench players.

Trade with the Clippers
NY Receives - Blake Griffin, Jared Dudley, BJ Mullens, 2014 1st Round Pick, Future 1st Round Pick.
Clippers Receive - Melo

Why would the Knicks do it? We get a lower tier superstar to replace Melo. A serviceable SF and PF/C and some picks. Not as dynamic an option as the Houston trade but this would also fix us a little.
Why would the Clippers do it? CP3, Melo, Jordan, JJ Reddick and Jamal Crawford. That is a dynamic lineup. You still got Barnes, Hollins and Collison in the bench.

Any other blow up scenarios you guys have?

bocker, you are a good poster man, but neither teams does that.. they are not giving up multiple picks and that kind of talent for crmelo.. no way no how..

I am sure the clips would say no just for blake alone...

Clips would do Melo for Griffin so fast it would make your head spin. They'd probably give us Griffin and a pick or 2 if we put it on the table. Griffin was awesome in that fixed dunk contest, but no chance they wouldn't do that. Paul would love it, so would Melo. Griffin would probably take his own like after a few months here in NY. We all saw how well he reacted to the fact that he brings literally nothing to the table when people are actually playing defense and a few people has the balls to call him out.

tkf wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:OK. We really have no other options but to blow this **** up. Melo is our biggest asset and I believe he still has a lot of value. Here are some scenarios where we would get respectable right away.

Trade with Houston
NY Receives - Asik, Lin, Terence Jones, Greg Smith, 2014 1st Round Pick(25th), 2014 2nd Round Pick(33rd), Future 1st Rounder
Houston Receives - Melo

Why would the Knicks do it? We get a 3 starters and a quality backup PF plus picks. Rebuild done in 1 swift motion.
Why would Houston do it? Rockets look good right now but they falter against the top teams in the League. They need that other offensive option after Harden. Parsons is great but you need another closer. A starting 5 of Dwight, Melo, Parsons, Harden and Beverley would be downright scary. Plus they still have a very good bench in Brooks, Garcia, Montiejunas, Casspi and Brewer. They also have a very good DLeague team in the Vipers that they can raid for bench players.

Trade with the Clippers
NY Receives - Blake Griffin, Jared Dudley, BJ Mullens, 2014 1st Round Pick, Future 1st Round Pick.
Clippers Receive - Melo

Why would the Knicks do it? We get a lower tier superstar to replace Melo. A serviceable SF and PF/C and some picks. Not as dynamic an option as the Houston trade but this would also fix us a little.
Why would the Clippers do it? CP3, Melo, Jordan, JJ Reddick and Jamal Crawford. That is a dynamic lineup. You still got Barnes, Hollins and Collison in the bench.

Any other blow up scenarios you guys have?

bocker, you are a good poster man, but neither teams does that.. they are not giving up multiple picks and that kind of talent for crmelo.. no way no how..

I am sure the clips would say no just for blake alone...

I'm not sure about that. LAC would do almost anything to keep CP3 happy and he and Melo are friends and there have been a couple reports that he doesn't get along with Blake. There have also been a couple of recent reports talking about Donald Sterling looking at Melo as a bigger star than Blake and that getting Melo would help them get more money when they negotiate their television rights. If we were an intelligently run organisation we should at least be reaching out to them to see if there is a deal to be made. I would jump at an offer of Blake + a couple of picks and then see if we could move Blake to Phoenix for two or three of the 1st rounders in 2014 plus cap filler.

VCoug wrote:

tkf wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:OK. We really have no other options but to blow this **** up. Melo is our biggest asset and I believe he still has a lot of value. Here are some scenarios where we would get respectable right away.

Trade with Houston
NY Receives - Asik, Lin, Terence Jones, Greg Smith, 2014 1st Round Pick(25th), 2014 2nd Round Pick(33rd), Future 1st Rounder
Houston Receives - Melo

Why would the Knicks do it? We get a 3 starters and a quality backup PF plus picks. Rebuild done in 1 swift motion.
Why would Houston do it? Rockets look good right now but they falter against the top teams in the League. They need that other offensive option after Harden. Parsons is great but you need another closer. A starting 5 of Dwight, Melo, Parsons, Harden and Beverley would be downright scary. Plus they still have a very good bench in Brooks, Garcia, Montiejunas, Casspi and Brewer. They also have a very good DLeague team in the Vipers that they can raid for bench players.

Trade with the Clippers
NY Receives - Blake Griffin, Jared Dudley, BJ Mullens, 2014 1st Round Pick, Future 1st Round Pick.
Clippers Receive - Melo

Why would the Knicks do it? We get a lower tier superstar to replace Melo. A serviceable SF and PF/C and some picks. Not as dynamic an option as the Houston trade but this would also fix us a little.
Why would the Clippers do it? CP3, Melo, Jordan, JJ Reddick and Jamal Crawford. That is a dynamic lineup. You still got Barnes, Hollins and Collison in the bench.

Any other blow up scenarios you guys have?

bocker, you are a good poster man, but neither teams does that.. they are not giving up multiple picks and that kind of talent for crmelo.. no way no how..

I am sure the clips would say no just for blake alone...

I'm not sure about that. LAC would do almost anything to keep CP3 happy and he and Melo are friends and there have been a couple reports that he doesn't get along with Blake. There have also been a couple of recent reports talking about Donald Sterling looking at Melo as a bigger star than Blake and that getting Melo would help them get more money when they negotiate their television rights. If we were an intelligently run organisation we should at least be reaching out to them to see if there is a deal to be made. I would jump at an offer of Blake + a couple of picks and then see if we could move Blake to Phoenix for two or three of the 1st rounders in 2014 plus cap filler.

If we were to ever trade Melo, the only deal i see at the deadline is something along the lines of Melo for Griffin. No other deal gets the Knicks good enough value, or gets Melo to a place we know he will resign without thinking twice. And yes i believe Clippers would do a deal without hesitation.