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Reality Check about the Draft
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Knixkik
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12/15/2013  3:11 PM
While people talk about this draft as the best since 2003, I can't believe how much people overrate the draft in general. It is great to get guys like Tim hardaway jr. Late in the first round, some solid role players in the 2nd round too, but to withhold picks for proven young stars, starters, whatever, can be a big mistake. Look at what comparisons scouts are making in this article. Could wiggins or Parker be the next great star, of course, but the likelihood is you are drafting the next Glenn Robinson, zach Randolph, Rudy gay etc. is that really what every team wants to build around?


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One NBA executive thinks Jabari Parker is comparable to Glenn Robinson.
Each week we release the Freshman Tracker, and each week there are new names and plenty of movement.

Last week we went through the weaknesses of each player in the top 10. This week we give you an NBA comparison for each guy.

Check back each week as we’ll have updates on how they did on the floor and give you the rundown on the top first-year players in the country, in a season in which the young guys have taken center stage.

1. Jabari Parker, F, Duke Blue Devils
6-foot-8, 235 pounds

The Blue Devils had the week off.

Comparison: Glenn Robinson. “He’s a less athletic version of the Big Dog. Can score in so many different ways.” -- NBA executive

This week: Monday vs. Gardner Webb; Thursday vs. UCLA at Madison Square Garden Stats: 22.1 PPG, 7.8 RPG, 47 percent 3-point shooting | Previous rank: 1


2. Julius Randle, PF, Kentucky Wildcats
6-9, 250 pounds

Randle had another double-double in the Wildcats' win against Boise with 17 points and 11 boards, but struggled in their loss against North Carolina, finishing with just 11 points and five rebounds.

Comparison: Zach Randolph. “Julius has some small forward skills and is more athletic. They are both strong and tough, and both lefties. Both are aggressive scoring the ball.” -- NBA executive

This week: Saturday vs. Belmont


Stats: 17.2 PPG, 11.4 RPG, 2.3 APG | Previous rank: 2


3. Aaron Gordon, F, Arizona Wildcats
6-9, 225 pounds

Gordon’s numbers aren’t quite indicative of his play this season. He had 11 points and four boards in a win over New Mexico State and was terrific on both ends in Arizona's win at Michigan. He finished with 14 points and five rebounds, but also locked down Glenn Robinson III defensively in the second half.

Comparison: Kenneth Faried. “I’m not sure this is who Gordon wants to be, but this is who he needs to be. He’s a tremendous athlete who brings toughness and energy -- and could be a terrific rebounder at our level.” -- NBA executive

This week: Thursday vs. Southern University


Stats: 12.1 PPG, 8.2 RPG | Previous rank: 3


4. Andrew Wiggins, SF, Kansas Jayhawks
6-8, 200 pounds

Wiggins was tremendous in the Jayhawks' loss in Gainesville, going for a career-high 26 points and grabbing 11 rebounds. However, he was a nonfactor in their victory over New Mexico, finishing with 11 points on 3-of-11 shooting.

Comparison: Rudy Gay. “He’s a long, athletic wing who is a decent shooter, but doesn’t have that killer instinct. Rudy’s never been a star, and I could see that being the case with this kid as well.” -- NBA executive

This week: Saturday vs. Georgetown


Stats: 15.9 PPG, 5.9 RPG | Previous rank: 4


5. Tyler Ennis, PG, Syracuse Orange
6-2, 180 pounds

The Canadian point guard and the Orange had the week off.

Comparison: Andre Miller. “He’s not quite as big, but he’s got an old-school game, knows how to run a team and picks his spots when he scores.” -- NBA executive

This week: Sunday at St. John’s; Friday vs. High Point

Stats: 11.3 PPG, 4.9 APG, 3.2 RPG | Previous rank: 6

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12/15/2013  3:16 PM
My reality check.

I doubt picks will be sold in this one.

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12/15/2013  3:25 PM
knickscity wrote:My reality check.

I doubt picks will be sold in this one.

of course not. its all about potential...but that doesn't mean what Knixkik said isn't true.

Truth of the matter is, there are more duds than stars.

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12/15/2013  3:55 PM
2006
1 TOR Andrea Bargnani Italy
2 CHI LaMarcus Aldridge Texas
3 CHA Adam Morrison Gonzaga
4 POR Tyrus Thomas Louisiana State
5 ATL Shelden Williams Duke
6 MIN Brandon Roy Washington
7 BOS Randy Foye Villanova
8 HOU Rudy Gay Connecticut
9 GSW Patrick O'Bryant Bradley
10 SEA Mouhamed Sene Senegal
11 ORL J.J. Redick Duke
12 NOK Hilton Armstrong Connecticut
13 PHI Thabo Sefolosha Switzerland
14 UTA Ronnie Brewer Arkansas
15 NOK Cedric Simmons North Carolina State
16 CHI Rodney Carney Memphis
17 IND Shawne Williams Memphis
18 WAS Oleksiy Pecherov Ukraine
19 SAC Quincy Douby Rutgers
20 NYK Renaldo Balkman South Carolina
21 PHO Rajon Rondo Kentucky
22 NJN Marcus Williams Connecticut
23 NJN Josh Boone Connecticut
24 MEM Kyle Lowry Villanova
25 CLE Shannon Brown Michigan State
26 LAL Jordan Farmar UCLA
27 PHO Sergio Rodriguez Spain
28 DAL Maurice Ager Michigan State
29 NYK Mardy Collins Temple
30 POR Joel Freeland England

2007
Por Greg Oden, Ohio State
Sea Kevin Durant,Texas
Atl Al Horford, Florida
Mem Mike Conley Jr., Ohio State
Bos Jeff Green,Georgetown
Mil Yi Jianlian,China
Min Corey Brewer, Florida
Cha Brandan Wright,North Carolina
Chi Joakim Noah,Florida
Sac Spencer Hawes, Washington
Atl Acie Law IV,Texas A&M
Phi Thaddeus Young, Georgia Tech
NO Julian Wright,Kansas
LA Al Thornton, Florida State
Det Rodney Stuckey,Eastern Washington
Was Nick Young, Southern California
NJ Sean Williams, Boston College
GS Marco Belinelli, Italy
LAL Javaris Crittenton, Georgia Tech
Mia Jason Smith,Colorado State (to Philadelphia)
Phi Daequan Cook,Ohio State (to Miami)
Cha Jared Dudley,Boston College
NYK Wilson Chandler,DePaul
Pho Rudy Fernandez,Spain (to Portland)
Uta Morris Almond,Rice
Hou Aaron Brooks,Oregon
Det Arron Afflalo, UCLA
SAS Tiago Splitter, Brazil
Pho Alando Tucker, Wisconsin
Phi Petteri Koponen,Finland (to Portland

2008
1 Chi Derrick Rose - PG
2 Mia Michael Beasley - PF
3 Minnesota O.J. Mayo - SG
4 Sea Russell Westbrook - PG
5 Mem Kevin Love - PF
6 NYK Danilo Gallinari - SF
7 LAC Eric Gordon - SG
8 Mil Joe Alexander - SF
9 Cha D.J. Augustin - PG
10 NJN Brook Lopez - C
11 Ind Jerryd Bayless - PG
12 Sacramento Jason Thompson - PF
13 Indiana Brandon Rush - SG
14 GSW Anthony Randolph - PF
15 Pho Robin Lopez - C
16 Phi Marreese Speights - C
17 Tor Roy Hibbert - C
18 Washington JaVale McGee - PF
19 Cleveland J.J. Hickson - PF
20 Cha Alexis Ajinca - PF
21 NJN Ryan Anderson - PF
22 Orl Courtney Lee - SG
23 Uta Kosta Koufos - C
24 Sea Serge Ibaka - PF
25 Hou Nicolas Batum - SF
26 SAS George Hill - PG
27 NOH Darrell Arthur - PF
28 Mem Donte Greene - SF
29 Det D.J. White - PF
30 Bos J. R. Giddens - SG

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12/15/2013  3:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/15/2013  3:59 PM
knickscity wrote:My reality check.

I doubt picks will be sold in this one.

LOL. Pretty much what I was gonna say. My reality check -- we have no picks! Hard to get excited about this draft. And I agree -- no only will we not be able to buy a 1st round pick (forget that - pipe dream), we won't be able to buy a 2nd rounder either I fear (at a minimum the price here will be the full $3mm + a future 2). We'll have to trade more than money if we want a pick(s).

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12/15/2013  3:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/15/2013  4:01 PM

Many of the nba elite r in those 3 drafts. Aldridge and Durante are easily 1st team all nba thi s year
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12/15/2013  4:03 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Many of the nba elite r in those 3 drafts. Aldridge and Durante are easily 1st team all nba thi s year

But far more NBA duds are

Knixkik
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12/15/2013  4:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/15/2013  4:34 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Many of the nba elite r in those 3 drafts. Aldridge and Durante are easily 1st team all nba thi s year

But how many other stars are there? And look what each number one pick turned into. So much luck involved beyond just skilled drafting. The draft really is just a crapshoot.

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12/15/2013  4:56 PM
a less atheltic version of glenn robinson doesn't exactly gimmie title visions
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12/15/2013  5:07 PM
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Many of the nba elite r in those 3 drafts. Aldridge and Durante are easily 1st team all nba thi s year

But how many other stars are there? And look what each number one pick turned into. So much luck involved beyond just skilled drafting. The draft really is just a crapshoot.

And having James Dolan running a team, making trades, and personnel decisions is worse than a crapshoot. It's guaranteed failure.

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12/15/2013  5:16 PM
The draft has always been one of the most exciting parts of the NBA season to me... when we had a pick.
It is so sad to think we don't have a pick in this DEEP draft AND are talking about breaking this team up already (which makes sense, but Damn did Dolan F things up so far.)
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12/15/2013  5:25 PM
Its true not every pick is guranteed to work out . However lets face it this group that the Knicks have arent gonna win anything. id rather rebuild and collect some draft picks and try to get under teh salary cap and sign some new free agents in 2015
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12/15/2013  5:40 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Many of the nba elite r in those 3 drafts. Aldridge and Durante are easily 1st team all nba thi s year

Aldridge...the ONLY impact player from that 2006 class (lets see what Rondo can do when he gets back). I dont even think 70% of those players are still in the league!

I do see your boy M.Williams sitting at 22. I wonder what he's doing.

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12/15/2013  5:49 PM
dug a little further...

2005
1 MIL Andrew Bogut Utah
2 ATL Marvin Williams North Carolina
3 UTA Deron Williams Illinois
4 NOH Chris Paul Wake Forest
5 CHA Raymond Felton North Carolina
6 POR Martell Webster Seattle Preparatory School
7 TOR Charlie Villanueva Connecticut
8 NYK Channing Frye Arizona
9 GSW Ike Diogu Arizona State
10 LAL Andrew Bynum St. Joseph HS (NJ)
11 ORL Fran Vasquez Spain
12 LAC Yaroslav Korolev Russia
13 CHA Sean May North Carolina
14 MIN Rashad McCants North Carolina
15 NJN Antoine Wright Texas A&M
16 TOR Joey Graham Oklahoma State
17 IND Danny Granger New Mexico
18 BOS Gerald Green Gulf Shores Academy (Houston)
19 MEM Hakim Warrick Syracuse
20 DEN Julius Hodge North Carolina State
21 PHO Nate Robinson Washington
22 DEN Jarrett Jack Georgia Tech
23 SAC Francisco Garcia Louisville
24 HOU Luther Head Illinois
25 SEA Johan Petro France
26 DET Jason Maxiell Cincinnati
27 POR Linas Kleiza Missouri
28 SAS Ian Mahinmi France
29 MIA Wayne Simien Kansas
30 NYK David Lee Florida

2004
1 ORL Dwight Howard Southwest Atlanta Christian Academy
2 CHA Emeka Okafor Connecticut
3 CHI Ben Gordon Connecticut
4 LAC Shaun Livingston Peoria Central HS (IL)
5 WAS Devin Harris Wisconsin
6 ATL Josh Childress Stanford
7 PHO Luol Deng Duke
8 TOR Rafael Araujo Brigham Young
9 PHI Andre Iguodala Arizona
10 CLE Luke Jackson Oregon
11 GSW Andris Biedrins Latvia
12 SEA Robert Swift Bakersfield HS (CA)
13 POR Sebastian Telfair Lincoln HS (Brooklyn, NY)
14 UTA Kris Humphries Minnesota
15 BOS Al Jefferson Prentiss HS (MS)
16 UTA Kirk Snyder University of Nevada, Reno
17 ATL Josh Smith Oak Hill Academy (VA)
18 NOH J.R. Smith St. Benedict's Preparatory School (NJ)
19 MIA Dorell Wright Leuzinger HS (CA)
20 DEN Jameer Nelson St. Joseph's
21 UTA Pavel Podkolzin Russia
22 NJN Viktor Khryapa Ukraine
23 POR Sergei Monia Russia
24 BOS Delonte West St. Joseph's
25 BOS Tony Allen Oklahoma State
26 SAC Kevin Martin Western Carolina
27 LAL Sasha Vujacic Slovenia
28 SAS Beno Udrih Slovenia
29 IND David Harrison Colorado

2003
1 CLE LeBron James St. Vincent-St. Mary HS (OH)
2 DET Darko Milicic Serbia
3 DEN Carmelo Anthony Syracuse
4 TOR Chris Bosh Georgia Tech
5 MIA Dwyane Wade Marquette
6 LAC Chris Kaman Central Michigan
7 CHI Kirk Hinrich Kansas
8 MIL T.J. Ford Texas
9 NYK Mike Sweetney Georgetown
10 WAS Jarvis Hayes Georgia
11 GSW Mickael Pietrus France
12 SEA Nick Collison Kansas
13 MEM Marcus Banks UNLV
14 SEA Luke Ridnour Oregon
15 ORL Reece Gaines Louisville
16 BOS Troy Bell Boston College
17 PHO Zarko Cabarkapa Serbia
18 NOH David West Xavier
19 UTA Sasha Pavlovic Montenegro
20 BOS Dahntay Jones Duke
21 ATL Boris Diaw France
22 NJN Zoran Planinic Croatia
23 POR Travis Outlaw Starkville HS (MS)
24 LAL Brian Cook Illinois
25 DET Carlos Delfino Argentina
26 MIN Ndudi Ebi Westbury Christian School (Houston)
27 MEM Kendrick Perkins Ozen HS (TX)
28 SAS Leandro Barbosa Brazil
29 DAL Josh Howard Wake Forest

2nd Round (this had BY FAR the best players in 2nd round)
30 NYK Maciej Lampe Poland
31 CLE Jason Kapono UCLA
32 LAL Luke Walton Arizona
33 MIA Jerome Beasley North Dakota
34 LAC Sofoklis Schortsanitis Greece
35 MIL Szymon Szewczyk Poland
36 CHI Mario Austin Mississippi State
37 ATL Travis Hansen Brigham Young
38 WAS Steve Blake Maryland
39 NYK Slavko Vranes Serbia
40 GSW Derrick Zimmerman Mississippi State
41 SEA Willie Green Detroit Mercy
42 ORL Zaza Pachulia Georgia (Europe)
43 MIL Keith Bogans Kentucky
44 HOU Malick Badiane Senegal
45 CHI Matt Bonner Florida
46 DEN Sani Becirovic Slovenia
47 UTA Mo Williams Alabama
48 NOH James Lang Central Park Christian HS (AL)
49 IND James Jones Miami
50 PHI Paccelis Morlende France
51 NJN Kyle Korver Creighton
52 TOR Remon Van de Hare Netherlands
53 CHI Tommy Smith Arizona State
54 POR Nedzad Sinanovic Bosnia
55 MIN Rick Rickert Minnesota
56 BOS Brandon Hunter Ohio
57 DAL Xue Yuyang China
58 DET Andreas Glyniadakis Greece

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12/15/2013  6:00 PM
The key thing is though that it's extremely valuable to have productive players on rookie contracts.
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12/15/2013  8:28 PM
Kind of a dumb post since 97%of nba players from superstars to regulars have been drafted
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12/15/2013  8:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/15/2013  9:02 PM
I find these types of threads hilarious and typical of those who not only don't have picks but root for teams that treat picks with little regard, and are willing to cosign any and all of their bad moves to get rid of picks..

It makes no sense at all to look at some of the bad to average players in the draft and then call picks overrated... really? LOL.. come on, this is just a bad attempt to short sell picks since the knicks have none...

give me the picks, I will take my shot at Aldridge, durant, roy, Deng, David lee, iggy, wade etc.....

you see what happens when you try to trade for some of these guys? you end up fleecing your own team to end up with a carmelo anthony.. good luck with that..

give me the picks, I will roll the dice with getting a lebron, wade, aldridge, etc.. and if I don't, at least I won't be stuck with a 30 year old, selfish, ball chucking, aging, guy making 30 mil a year, or some soft, one dimensional, mental disaster euro player....

And since we are talking about the talent here, give me a rudy gay or zach randolph tealent with a head on their shoulders, any day!!!

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/15/2013  9:07 PM
tkf wrote:I find these types of threads hilarious and typical of those who not only don't have picks but root for teams that treat picks with little regard, and are willing to cosign any and all of their bad moves to get rid of picks..

It makes no sense at all to look at some of the bad to average players in the draft and then call picks overrated... really? LOL.. come on, this is just a bad attempt to short sell picks since the knicks have none...

give me the picks, I will take my shot at Aldridge, durant, roy, Deng, David lee, iggy, wade etc.....

you see what happens when you try to trade for some of these guys? you end up fleecing your own team to end up with a carmelo anthony.. good luck with that..

give me the picks, I will roll the dice with getting a lebron, wade, aldridge, etc.. and if I don't, at least I won't be stuck with a 30 year old, selfish, ball chucking, aging, guy making 30 mil a year, or some soft, one dimensional, mental disaster euro player....

And since we are talking about the talent here, give me a rudy gay or zach randolph tealent with a head on their shoulders, any day!!!

What's even more hilarious is how professional scouts view the players that everyone is tanking for. This is why so many teams have been in rebuild mode for so many years. How many years is it now for Sacramento, Charlotte, Milwaukee, Toronto, Minnesota, Washington etc?

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12/15/2013  9:10 PM
Reality check:

How many banners on on the roof?

And the ones that we have are a bit old.

Realty check: Teams that win draft their best players. One might even say Miami don't win without Wade? Maybe, maybe not. Wade has 3 rings.

To have to defend draft picks is silly.

True the draft does not guarantee success with every pick. BUt the more picks you have the more chances you have to succeed.

San Antonio keeps building around duncan.

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12/15/2013  9:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/15/2013  9:15 PM
Knixkik wrote:
tkf wrote:I find these types of threads hilarious and typical of those who not only don't have picks but root for teams that treat picks with little regard, and are willing to cosign any and all of their bad moves to get rid of picks..

It makes no sense at all to look at some of the bad to average players in the draft and then call picks overrated... really? LOL.. come on, this is just a bad attempt to short sell picks since the knicks have none...

give me the picks, I will take my shot at Aldridge, durant, roy, Deng, David lee, iggy, wade etc.....

you see what happens when you try to trade for some of these guys? you end up fleecing your own team to end up with a carmelo anthony.. good luck with that..

give me the picks, I will roll the dice with getting a lebron, wade, aldridge, etc.. and if I don't, at least I won't be stuck with a 30 year old, selfish, ball chucking, aging, guy making 30 mil a year, or some soft, one dimensional, mental disaster euro player....

And since we are talking about the talent here, give me a rudy gay or zach randolph tealent with a head on their shoulders, any day!!!

What's even more hilarious is how professional scouts view the players that everyone is tanking for. This is why so many teams have been in rebuild mode for so many years. How many years is it now for Sacramento, Charlotte, Milwaukee, Toronto, Minnesota, Washington etc?

Yeah but professional scouts often get it wrong. All these teams have professional scouts working for them, but the draft never turns out the way it should have looking back from 5 years in the future. You have busts drafted ahead of star players a good portion of the time, as your charts show. These professional scout comparisons seem very conservative. If the best this draft has to offer is a player of Zach Randolph caliber then it is not a strong draft at all, and I'm even a fan of Zach. There will be a few stars coming out of this years draft just wait and see.

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