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NardDogNation
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12/13/2013  6:17 PM
Do any of guys know, under the new CBA, if teams can structure contracts in a way to pay a given player's salary before the season begins? I was just wondering because it could be an excellent way for the Knicks to circumvent the provisions that the NBA has in place to hamper teams over the luxury tax. Just imagine the trade value we'd be able to generate by offering contracts in trades that other team's would not have to pay for.
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12/13/2013  6:44 PM
NardDogNation wrote:Do any of guys know, under the new CBA, if teams can structure contracts in a way to pay a given player's salary before the season begins? I was just wondering because it could be an excellent way for the Knicks to circumvent the provisions that the NBA has in place to hamper teams over the luxury tax. Just imagine the trade value we'd be able to generate by offering contracts in trades that other team's would not have to pay for.

I'm not a cap expert but it seems like there is no way that is possible, even if teams were ballsy enough to do it. That would be like a company recording revenue before they even perform the service they were paid for, monetary contracts don't usually work like that. Although, maybe there is some loophole that I don't know of. The NBA already doesn't let you pay players extra on the side and I think this is even sneakier than that.
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12/13/2013  6:46 PM
NardDogNation wrote:Do any of guys know, under the new CBA, if teams can structure contracts in a way to pay a given player's salary before the season begins? I was just wondering because it could be an excellent way for the Knicks to circumvent the provisions that the NBA has in place to hamper teams over the luxury tax. Just imagine the trade value we'd be able to generate by offering contracts in trades that other team's would not have to pay for.

You mean front or backload a deal? Well they did it with Lin but I'm not an expert. If you mean pay a player some sort of signing bonus that doesn't affect the season's cap, I'm pretty sure that's impossible. It would count against the cap the year it was offered, if it was even possible to give a bonus.
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12/13/2013  8:53 PM
Dagger wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:Do any of guys know, under the new CBA, if teams can structure contracts in a way to pay a given player's salary before the season begins? I was just wondering because it could be an excellent way for the Knicks to circumvent the provisions that the NBA has in place to hamper teams over the luxury tax. Just imagine the trade value we'd be able to generate by offering contracts in trades that other team's would not have to pay for.

I'm not a cap expert but it seems like there is no way that is possible, even if teams were ballsy enough to do it. That would be like a company recording revenue before they even perform the service they were paid for, monetary contracts don't usually work like that. Although, maybe there is some loophole that I don't know of. The NBA already doesn't let you pay players extra on the side and I think this is even sneakier than that.

Back during the 2010 offseason, Eddy Curry's deal was structured in a way that allowed him to receive $6 million of his $11 million salary before the season started. When he was traded to the Wolves, they saved money on the deal because of that. The question is whether teams are still allowed to structure contracts so that the bulk of it is paid ahead of time. And if that can be done, what percent of the contract can be paid ahead of time?
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12/13/2013  9:08 PM
tj23 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:Do any of guys know, under the new CBA, if teams can structure contracts in a way to pay a given player's salary before the season begins? I was just wondering because it could be an excellent way for the Knicks to circumvent the provisions that the NBA has in place to hamper teams over the luxury tax. Just imagine the trade value we'd be able to generate by offering contracts in trades that other team's would not have to pay for.

You mean front or backload a deal? Well they did it with Lin but I'm not an expert. If you mean pay a player some sort of signing bonus that doesn't affect the season's cap, I'm pretty sure that's impossible. It would count against the cap the year it was offered, if it was even possible to give a bonus.

Not at all. Certain players in the past would have a bulk of their contracts paid before the season even began e.g. Kobe and Eddy Curry. I'm wondering if that is still possible and if so, what percent of the contract could be paid ahead of time. It could be a key tool, in better leveraging our players in trades.
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12/13/2013  9:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/13/2013  9:18 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
Dagger wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:Do any of guys know, under the new CBA, if teams can structure contracts in a way to pay a given player's salary before the season begins? I was just wondering because it could be an excellent way for the Knicks to circumvent the provisions that the NBA has in place to hamper teams over the luxury tax. Just imagine the trade value we'd be able to generate by offering contracts in trades that other team's would not have to pay for.

I'm not a cap expert but it seems like there is no way that is possible, even if teams were ballsy enough to do it. That would be like a company recording revenue before they even perform the service they were paid for, monetary contracts don't usually work like that. Although, maybe there is some loophole that I don't know of. The NBA already doesn't let you pay players extra on the side and I think this is even sneakier than that.

Back during the 2010 offseason, Eddy Curry's deal was structured in a way that allowed him to receive $6 million of his $11 million salary before the season started. When he was traded to the Wolves, they saved money on the deal because of that. The question is whether teams are still allowed to structure contracts so that the bulk of it is paid ahead of time. And if that can be done, what percent of the contract can be paid ahead of time?

Isn't that a signing bonus, I thought you were talking about paying the entire salary for that year upfront?
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12/13/2013  9:19 PM
OKC paid Nick Collison $13 million as a 'signing bonus' in 2010. Syill counted against the cap, but it game them flexible later. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Nick-Collison-s-goofball-contract-extension?urn=nba-288906
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12/13/2013  10:39 PM
Dagger wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Dagger wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:Do any of guys know, under the new CBA, if teams can structure contracts in a way to pay a given player's salary before the season begins? I was just wondering because it could be an excellent way for the Knicks to circumvent the provisions that the NBA has in place to hamper teams over the luxury tax. Just imagine the trade value we'd be able to generate by offering contracts in trades that other team's would not have to pay for.

I'm not a cap expert but it seems like there is no way that is possible, even if teams were ballsy enough to do it. That would be like a company recording revenue before they even perform the service they were paid for, monetary contracts don't usually work like that. Although, maybe there is some loophole that I don't know of. The NBA already doesn't let you pay players extra on the side and I think this is even sneakier than that.

Back during the 2010 offseason, Eddy Curry's deal was structured in a way that allowed him to receive $6 million of his $11 million salary before the season started. When he was traded to the Wolves, they saved money on the deal because of that. The question is whether teams are still allowed to structure contracts so that the bulk of it is paid ahead of time. And if that can be done, what percent of the contract can be paid ahead of time?

Isn't that a signing bonus, I thought you were talking about paying the entire salary for that year upfront?

It's not a signing bonus! Curry's contract was expiring that year.
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12/13/2013  10:39 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:OKC paid Nick Collison $13 million as a 'signing bonus' in 2010. Syill counted against the cap, but it game them flexible later. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Nick-Collison-s-goofball-contract-extension?urn=nba-288906

Dude, it wasn't a signing bonus or any kind of bonus.
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