[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Three billionaires - Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder and James Dolan
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
misterearl
Posts: 38786
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/16/2004
Member: #799
USA
12/13/2013  9:28 AM
Each has their fingerprints on personnel decisions. Their general manage are only in place to hold a seat and make suggestions. Ego overlaps into the day-to-day operation to the point where hiring a and firings are made on impulse, without a strategy.

Each franchise is rolling in cash reserves - but mired in mediocrity. In the case of the Washington franchise, the drama exceeds the on field output to the point the drama IS the show. Their handling of RG3 could sidetrack a promising career. Dallas has great material infrastructure but little discipline.

Meanwhile, back at Madison Square Garden... the general manager acting like a GM is holding a seat for the GM in-training in the same manner Mike Woodson held his seat und Mike D'Antoni.

All three billionaires are accustomed to buying anything they want. Like most owners, they can afford to. The missing ingredient, however, is soul. How Daniel Snyder can support a racist mascot is mind-boggling.

How James Dolan can have access to resources and experts, and over rule people like Donnie Walsh, or fire a Glen Grunwald on the eve of the season, only keeps his franchise on a treadmill to nowhere.

Are we having fun yet?

once a knick always a knick
AUTOADVERT
BRIGGS
Posts: 53275
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 7/30/2002
Member: #303
12/13/2013  9:37 AM
misterearl wrote:Each has their fingerprints on personnel decisions. Their general manage are only in place to hold a seat and make suggestions. Ego overlaps into the day-to-day operation to the point where hiring a and firings are made on impulse, without a strategy.

Each franchise is rolling in cash reserves - but mired in mediocrity. In the case of the Washington franchise, the drama exceeds the on field output to the point the drama IS the show. Their handling of RG3 could sidetrack a promising career. Dallas has great material infrastructure but little discipline.

Meanwhile, back at Madison Square Garden... the general manager acting like a GM is holding a seat for the GM in-training in the same manner Mike Woodson held his seat und Mike D'Antoni.

All three billionaires are accustomed to buying anything they want. Like most owners, they can afford to. The missing ingredient, however, is soul. How Daniel Snyder can support a racist mascot is mind-boggling.

How James Dolan can have access to resources and experts, and over rule people like Donnie Walsh, or fire a Glen Grunwald on the eve of the season, only keeps his franchise on a treadmill to nowhere.

Are we having fun yet?


Jerry Jones does have 3 chips.
RIP Crushalot😞
MSG3
Posts: 22788
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 2/2/2009
Member: #2476
USA
12/13/2013  9:38 AM
Only difference is Jerry Jones once presided over a dynasty. But what he did then is give total control to Jimmy Johnson. Look what's happened since he started running things.

You are spot on about everything else.
SupremeCommander
Posts: 34064
Alba Posts: 35
Joined: 4/28/2006
Member: #1127
12/13/2013  9:55 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
misterearl wrote:Each has their fingerprints on personnel decisions. Their general manage are only in place to hold a seat and make suggestions. Ego overlaps into the day-to-day operation to the point where hiring a and firings are made on impulse, without a strategy.

Each franchise is rolling in cash reserves - but mired in mediocrity. In the case of the Washington franchise, the drama exceeds the on field output to the point the drama IS the show. Their handling of RG3 could sidetrack a promising career. Dallas has great material infrastructure but little discipline.

Meanwhile, back at Madison Square Garden... the general manager acting like a GM is holding a seat for the GM in-training in the same manner Mike Woodson held his seat und Mike D'Antoni.

All three billionaires are accustomed to buying anything they want. Like most owners, they can afford to. The missing ingredient, however, is soul. How Daniel Snyder can support a racist mascot is mind-boggling.

How James Dolan can have access to resources and experts, and over rule people like Donnie Walsh, or fire a Glen Grunwald on the eve of the season, only keeps his franchise on a treadmill to nowhere.

Are we having fun yet?


Jerry Jones does have 3 chips.

Jerry Jones deferred to Jimmy Johnson once upon a time

DLeethal wrote: Lol Rick needs a safe space
misterearl
Posts: 38786
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/16/2004
Member: #799
USA
12/13/2013  10:00 AM
Don't Touch The Hair

BRIGGS wrote:Jerry Jones does have 3 chips.

Context, homeskillet. Context.

Jerry Jones' ego could not handle the accolades being given to Jimmy Johnnson. The Cowboys are living on their past. Outstanding leaders do not care who gets the credit.

I miss Don Perkins and Don Meredith.

once a knick always a knick
Nalod
Posts: 71327
Alba Posts: 155
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
12/13/2013  10:19 AM
Dolan could not handle Checketts running the team and collecting accolades while Jimmy longed for respect from his daddy.
franco12
Posts: 34069
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 2/19/2004
Member: #599
USA
12/13/2013  10:53 AM
I don't think Dolan is a billionaire - the only net worth estimate I could find was for just under $500m.
BRIGGS
Posts: 53275
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 7/30/2002
Member: #303
12/13/2013  11:25 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/13/2013  11:25 AM
franco12 wrote:I don't think Dolan is a billionaire - the only net worth estimate I could find was for just under $500m.

The Dolans as a family control MSG AMC Networks and Cablevision. I don't know the structure of anyone's wealth but the combined value of the companies breach 14B Hes not a Walton but he has his fingertips on stockpiles of $.Enough to pay off the Eagles to play frontman!

RIP Crushalot😞
gunsnewing
Posts: 55076
Alba Posts: 5
Joined: 2/24/2002
Member: #215
USA
12/13/2013  11:37 AM
I take it Dolan is an Eagles fan? Hey maybe one day he will pay for a Guns N' Roses reunion? If he did that I'd forgive him for torturing me for years!
tj23
Posts: 21851
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 4/20/2010
Member: #3119
12/13/2013  11:52 AM
Al Davis before he passed away as well.
misterearl
Posts: 38786
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/16/2004
Member: #799
USA
12/13/2013  12:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/13/2013  12:20 PM
Wrong

tj23 wrote:Al Davis before he passed away as well.

Al Davis was a football innovator. He had an acute eye for talent and knew the brand of football he wanted to play. His early Oakland Raider teams were among the first to mine talent from HBCU's (historically black colleges and universities) and the NFL Hall of Fame is packed with his achievements.

But he knew football. A shrewd judge of talent, especially early in his career, he became known for providing a home for gifted, wayward athletes, signing or trading for some players who were undervalued or given up on by other teams, like quarterbacks Daryle Lamonica, George Blanda and Jim Plunkett, and running back Billy Cannon.

He rehabilitated others, like receiver Warren Wells, defensive linemen Lyle Alzado and John Matuszak, and quarterback Ken Stabler, whose reputations were sullied (either before or after they became Raiders) by allegations of criminal behavior, drug use, gambling or other transgressions.

No saint himself, Al Davis was a renegade and fought for his turf, wherever he wanted. We dug that about him.

Al Davis was no James Dolan.

"Just win baby"

once a knick always a knick
misterearl
Posts: 38786
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/16/2004
Member: #799
USA
12/13/2013  12:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/13/2013  12:20 PM
Al Davis

He was also one of a dwindling number of N.F.L. owners whose riches came primarily from the business of football. There were no hedge funds or shipping companies in Mr. Davis’s background. He simply ran the Raiders


“I don’t want to be the most respected team in the league,” Mr. Davis said in 1981. “I want to be the most feared.”


"Just win baby"

once a knick always a knick
tj23
Posts: 21851
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 4/20/2010
Member: #3119
12/13/2013  3:26 PM
misterearl wrote:Wrong

tj23 wrote:Al Davis before he passed away as well.

Al Davis was a football innovator. He had an acute eye for talent and knew the brand of football he wanted to play. His early Oakland Raider teams were among the first to mine talent from HBCU's (historically black colleges and universities) and the NFL Hall of Fame is packed with his achievements.

But he knew football. A shrewd judge of talent, especially early in his career, he became known for providing a home for gifted, wayward athletes, signing or trading for some players who were undervalued or given up on by other teams, like quarterbacks Daryle Lamonica, George Blanda and Jim Plunkett, and running back Billy Cannon.

He rehabilitated others, like receiver Warren Wells, defensive linemen Lyle Alzado and John Matuszak, and quarterback Ken Stabler, whose reputations were sullied (either before or after they became Raiders) by allegations of criminal behavior, drug use, gambling or other transgressions.

No saint himself, Al Davis was a renegade and fought for his turf, wherever he wanted. We dug that about him.

Al Davis was no James Dolan.

"Just win baby"

The guy was also a dinosaur and drove his team into the ground the last decade taking athletic freaks over football players. The Raiders have been just as big of a joke as the knicks. They haven't made the playoffs since 2002. Al Davis always hired yes men he could control. Al Davis certainly was very similar to James Dolan, at least in recent memory.
misterearl
Posts: 38786
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/16/2004
Member: #799
USA
12/13/2013  4:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/13/2013  5:00 PM
Tj23 - Al Davis was a pro coach, general manager and an owner for over 50 years

James Dolan had the franchise handed to him by Daddy

Big difference.

Big.

once a knick always a knick
Nalod
Posts: 71327
Alba Posts: 155
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
12/13/2013  5:41 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
franco12 wrote:I don't think Dolan is a billionaire - the only net worth estimate I could find was for just under $500m.

The Dolans as a family control MSG AMC Networks and Cablevision. I don't know the structure of anyone's wealth but the combined value of the companies breach 14B Hes not a Walton but he has his fingertips on stockpiles of $.Enough to pay off the Eagles to play frontman!

Not sure dolan owns all the stock. Cablevison and MSG are publically traded.
tj23
Posts: 21851
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 4/20/2010
Member: #3119
12/13/2013  6:57 PM
misterearl wrote:Tj23 - Al Davis was a pro coach, general manager and an owner for over 50 years

James Dolan had the franchise handed to him by Daddy

Big difference.

Big.


Over the course of their careers, yes. You are 100% correct. No comparison.

In the last ten years, the guy was hated by the majority of fans. And rightfully so. The only fans that still adored him were sorry apologists with delusions reminiscing of the glory years. The guy was worse than Matt Millen. He repeatedly drafted bust after bust, reaching for players, traded away the future, hired staff that wouldn't go against the grain, and refused to relinquish any control. There are countless examples that are dolan-esque.

"We don't rebuild, we reload."

Sound familiar at all?
misterearl
Posts: 38786
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/16/2004
Member: #799
USA
12/13/2013  7:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/13/2013  8:49 PM
Entitlement

Tj23 - Al Davis built the Raiders from scratch. James Dolan deconstructed the Knicks into a tourist attraction.

Al Davis coached, general managed and understood the game from being in the trenches. James Dolan has court side seats.

Al Davis was resented, despised and hated by many. James Dolan is a punch line.

Al Davis stalked the sidelines and created the Raider mystique. Jim Dolan docked the dance team a days pay.

Al Davis had 50+ years to make every mistake in the book. He did it his way. He was totally invested in the Raiders from a time standpoint. He also owns some sparkly championship rings

James Dolan has a band.

Big difference.

once a knick always a knick
« Reply To Topic
Three billionaires - Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder and James Dolan
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy