What is on the books--the only exception I am making is for Carmelo for 24mm and our 2015 draft pick otherwise everyone who does not have a contract is out

Carmelo 24.1mm 5 years 129mm
Felton 4.5mm
JR Smith 6.4mm
Prigs 1.8mm
Shumpert(if exercised)4mm
Hardaway jr 1.3mm
draft pick 2015 2mm
CapholdX6 650=3.9mm
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Ok with ZERO frontcourt players and I mean none signing Carmelo
our existing cap# is48.3mm

Tell me what player will make a difference signing here for 12mm and who exactly would eb good enough to help this rag tag POS team that cant win now win in two years?
Our owners and GMs decided to spend 13mm on prigs Felton and JR and there is NO getting out of it. All of you who think Shumpert is astar-4mm$ he cost at a minimum

This plan CANNOT work it simply cant we cant make that work for a winning team... We dont have enough cap space we dont have 1 NOT one frontcourt player signed.

Someone at MSG must do this homework right???

Disgusting. What a joke of an organization. If this were any other business besides a basketball team based in New York, they'd be bankrupt.

This team is just a disaster. There is a chance when Tyson comes back that we can change around the dynamic but we are still led by a terrible backup PG in Felton and our #2 scorer is a mental case in JR Smith. Our #1 player is a scorer who doesn't really make others around him better and he isn't the sharpest tool in our shed. Melo needs talent around him and that is why he cut off his nose to spite his face forcing his way here and getting rid of our assets and picks. You reap what you ME-low...

Really, this is the CURSE OF LIN. We had a great young PG with a lot of smarts and we threw that away for a low IQ slow PG and the Geriatric bunch.

On a good note, many of us are moving on to other things as this is too frustrating to take part in. Bad ownership is at the root and that won't change anytime soon. Time to move on...

EMS

You're incorrect. You have one too many cap-holds (because you only need enough for a 12-man roster), and you only need 16.5 million to get a max player from another team. Also noteworthy: the 3rd year of Pablo's deal isn't guaranteed (according to hoopsworld), so you can let him go and save the 1.7 million. In reality, the team's going to look like this unless your salary data is more up-to-date than mine is...

http://www.hoopsworld.com/new-york-knicks-team-salary

According to this, Shumpert comes in at a little less than 4 and so does Felton. The third year of Pablo's deal isn't guaranteed so you cut him, and Chandler and Amar'e don't come back...

Melo: 24.1 Million
Felton: 4 Million
Jr Smith: 6.4 Million
Tim Hardaway: 1.3 Million
Shumpert: 4 million (he's closer to 3.7, but I'll round up). He can also be let go if that's the difference...
1st round Pick: 2 million
6 cap holds at 650k = 3.9 million

That puts New York at 45.7 million, which gives them about 14 assuming a 60 million dollar cap. What that means is all the Knicks would have to do is decide not to offer Shumpert and they'd get just enough space to sign anyone that isn't a 9+ year vet (In other words, you could get Kevin Love or Rondo if he comes back healthy and those are the guys you're targeting).

From there, you have 10.4 million dollars in expiring money (Felton and J.R.) that you could do something with or let off the books the following off-season, plus the exceptions and minimum deals to get by. According to the numbers here, it works...

Point being, the exit strategy was put into place by Grunwald when he made the Bargnani trade, because everybody comes off the books in the next 2 years. There's no reason to blow it up now unless somebody's willing to pay full price for Melo or take both Melo and Amar'e together without giving up a longer-term contract.

BRIGGS wrote:

y2zipper wrote:You're incorrect. You have one too many cap-holds (because you only need enough for a 12-man roster), and you only need 16.5 million to get a max player from another team. Also noteworthy: the 3rd year of Pablo's deal isn't guaranteed (according to hoopsworld), so you can let him go and save the 1.7 million. In reality, the team's going to look like this unless your salary data is more up-to-date than mine is...

http://www.hoopsworld.com/new-york-knicks-team-salary

According to this, Shumpert comes in at a little less than 4 and so does Felton. The third year of Pablo's deal isn't guaranteed so you cut him, and Chandler and Amar'e don't come back...

Melo: 24.1 Million
Felton: 4 Million
Jr Smith: 6.4 Million
Tim Hardaway: 1.3 Million
Shumpert: 4 million (he's closer to 3.7, but I'll round up). He can also be let go if that's the difference...
1st round Pick: 2 million
6 cap holds at 650k = 3.9 million

That puts New York at 45.7 million, which gives them about 14 assuming a 60 million dollar cap. What that means is all the Knicks would have to do is decide not to offer Shumpert and they'd get just enough space to sign anyone that isn't a 9+ year vet (In other words, you could get Kevin Love or Rondo if he comes back healthy and those are the guys you're targeting).

From there, you have 10.4 million dollars in expiring money (Felton and J.R.) that you could do something with or let off the books the following off-season, plus the exceptions and minimum deals to get by. According to the numbers here, it works...

Point being, the exit strategy was put into place by Grunwald when he made the Bargnani trade, because everybody comes off the books in the next 2 years. There's no reason to blow it up now unless somebody's willing to pay full price for Melo or take both Melo and Amar'e together without giving up a longer-term contract.

Dude thats the same team we have now--do you get it?

Hilarious

yeah, I would much rather have 36m on FA's and properly build a cohesive team to spend on FA than CA at that price

For Iman, he is much to prove and improve on, Brandon Rush signed a 2 year 4m deal (team option), I think we should be looking at around that number for Iman till he proves his value
The injury set him back much with coming in to a mess in a lock out season, I think he will be a very solid player though

For Melo to stay here, he is going to have to sign a deal 12-15m, and honestly at his age and mileage, I think he could break down somewhere in that next contract

IF MELO REALLY wants to recruit, he will have to even take less in the 10m range, with player option to opt out and get rewarded the following year, so we can have 26m range on FA's
Maybe if he is willing to take less, we can also lure 2 max FA's to take slightly less, like they did in Miami

Alridge
Love

Hibbert

don't forget the room exemption, that little bit makes a big difference in terms of talent

and I truly believe we will not exercise Pablo's 3rd year unless it is far trade purposes
It was set up this way for Grunny and Pablo, do the math....
because even if we wanted to keep him, paying him the 1m we would owe him, than resigning him at the vet min, would enable Pablo to actually make more money and give the Knick's more money to spend since vet min players aren't counted against the cap when signed late