Coaches Job/RESPONSIBILITIES INCLUDE
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A coaches job is to properly MOTIVATE each player and team, from training camp, all the way to the end of the season, most importantly in the play offs, but even after the season, to give players assignments in working in certain skills for the better of the team and for each individual/player to further their development
In the end, it is up to the player to do it or and how hard to train/develop/tone those skills, but that is where the GM must step in, if he doesn't feel the player is giving the effort to do so to either trade or release the player, hopefully while getting good value in return

It is also the head coaches responsibility and staff to fully correct the bad habits of players and a TEAM as a whole, thus "being held accountable", in the season for the play offs
Having good communication, respect, leadership qualities, assigning roles for each player and a TEAM as hole, along with developing future roles/skills for players team down the road, ability to a make adjustments, along with X's and O's, and maximizing the talent's of the TEAM is more important than maximizing a players abilities, along with motivating them through out the season and especially in the play offs where it counts the most.
Finding a balance between individual players achievements and the TEAM's goals takes sacrifices, but ultimately WINNING is the biggest prize along with a players contract for their motivation

NUMBERS are unfortunately, usually the ultimate factor in motivation for justifying players contracts, a reason why Melo always wants the ball in his hands and gives much effort in to producing NUMBERS even though if he will not utilize some of his energy on other area's even though they are crucial to being a WINNING TEAM

Every player wants to get paid in the league and it is up to the coach to find that balance in which players will get that chance to contribute and justify their contracts
Unfortunately, there is a salary cap, so NOT all players can get what they seek, and sometimes we need to cut ties with those who think they are worth more than they are especially when we can get a fair or even better in return for them

Adjustments are also needed for each team, from each game to the start of the season till the end, especially in the play offs again
Depending on match ups, opponents strengths and weakness's, and our own strength's and weakness's, a reason why DECEPTION and having a philosophy and the talent to run a system is needed, especially so ROLE PLAYERS are properly motivated to produce and stay in the game
That is why Melo's chances of advancing in play offs are weak, because he wants to generate numbers at an inefficient rate, at the expense of ball movement and chemistry, to justify his status and contract in the NBA
A balance must be made to properly motivate Melo and the team with ISO, along with creating opportunities and roles for the less talented players on the team

GM, President of Operations, Coaches, and sometimes *OWNERS's" must be able to work with each other
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In addition, to fully utilize the roster, management/GM/PRESIDENT of Operations/ *OWNERS* (each market has different business philosophies, the larger ones can afford to overpay in dollars, especially with luxury tax vs some of the smaller markets, but the ability to spend $ can not be confused with overpaying in terms of value/asset's, trades with the new CBA and how it is structured) ALL should be able to respect or at least WORK TOGETHER on building a TEAM with a game plan and philosophy

Having young player development is needed because of the salary cap, where there salaries are cheap but their upside is crucial with their development, which sometimes takes patience/hard work like on the Pacer's: Lance Stephenson, Paul George, and Roy Hibbert

But learning does not end with young players, a TEAM and vet's must continue to work hard/understand/ stay in shape, tone their skills, develop new skills, and work on their weakness's

We must always find ways to constantly improve the team as a whole and players skills, understanding of the game as it will always continue to change/ adapt/ and evolve vs each team along with our roster, all within the salary cap is the hardest part, this is where COACHES and GM's usually butt heads
A players value to the team is actually not measure with their NUMBERS but effect on the team as a whole, where as a GM and player usually would see it differently, especially with players seeking future contracts
Player development with coaches and trading a player for a *good return especially for salary cap reasons*, allows GM's to use salary cap to acquire a player sometimes MUCH cheaper than what their numbers show, like RUDY GAY who still has a ton of potential in him despite his horrible recent numbers and large contract

playing with the combination of TALENT, PHYSICAL ABILITIES, CHEMISTRY, BASKETBALL IQ, is necessary for each players individually, and for the TEAM
Having the right combination of young talent, young legs/physical abilities, with the knowledge/experience/leadership of VET's

GM's job and responsibilities
======================================

properly evaluate the talent and value of each player on the team and players in the league
when to develop, give up, and trade players (at the peak), along with bargain hunting for talent, getting maximum in return with leverage, signing cost efficient players, attracting ALL STAR players, recognizing ALL STAR's and even role players that are under valued and over valued (like Uri has done), constantly looking to acquire assets with trades, draft picks, FA signings, undrafted players, finding the scouts that they can trust and understands what he is trying to build on, along with patience for player development (like SA/PACER's has done), flipping/collecting assets, to use (like Morey has done)

Side notes
============

the same people that say Melo is a premiere talent in the league and try to justify the trade that we simply overpaid for him, and that he is a once in a chance player to get at his peak, that we "HAD to do"

also say

we cannot blame Melo because he has no TEAM, talent, and player around him to perform at a higher level
Well, if Melo said "I AM NOT SIGNING an EXTENSION WITH ANY OTHER TEAM BUT NYK's, then we wouldn't be in this game, and Melo/Denver/Knick's/Net's would have all been playing the chicken game and see if Denver was willing to let him walk for NO compensation and if Nets would trade for him with the so called "6 1st rounders or w/e" without Melo signing an extension
My guess, is that Walsh would have got a deal done that would have involved the garbage we got with Melo, with much less picks and/or Wilson Chandler, MosGov, Felton, and draft picks 1 unprotected, 1 swap, 2 GS 2nd round picks (which was predicted to be a high 2nd round picks as GS sucked at the time)

Maybe we can or we cannot, but if we didn't overpay for him, we would have the supporting cast, assets, youth, with players at PEAK VALUE at the time that we traded for a bunch of horrible contracts that disabled us to use acquire the talent we needed to actually have a supporting cast around him

So as we just started paying for the deals for Melo and not including the deal's that we overpaid because we had no leverage with other teams as we had to build a contending team with limited assets with the limited time we had, Melo can walk away from it all or we can continue to overpay him so he can be H20, Joe Johnson part 2/3, while he is going to be on the downside of his career and is not worth half of our teams salary cap space

or

can we justify Melo NOT TAKING a pay cut with all the prices/sacrifices we have paid since trading for him and trades after, along with the horrible 3m MLE spent on Kidd, Pablo/MWP,
2 years in a row, when we clearly needed talent to upgrade our depleted aged roster

As far as carmelo goes, one thing people over look.. what about his performanaces in the playoffs? we keep hearing he doesn't have help, but what about him raising the level of his play? can't ask for help unless you are help to begin with...

why is it so difficult to build around this dude? Denver for all of those year and now In NY? maybe it is a sign that you don't build around him...

These kinds of discussions I don't find that enjoyable because it takes away from actually talking about the knicks.. and making the knicks better.. carmelo doesn't exist to me, he is a loser, and I hope he opts out... then the real work begins, not because we lose him, I think that is addition by subtraction, but now we have to get in place competent front office people, who can turn this thing around.. with the influence of CAA and our dummy owner, I have little faith...

this is really a sad situation...... I am more concerned with getting guys like morey than worry about carmelo's influence dragging our team down any further...

RonRon wrote:LIKE ANY PLAYER, COACH, TEAM, and a GM/PRESIDENT, working together is very important in order to build a RIGHT FIT for THE BETTER OF THE TEAM, usually sacrifices are needed, and it is up to the COACH to maximize the strength of each player and a TEAM collectively, to make each player and team as a whole to understand and accept each role in addition to a TEAM's philosophy

Coaches Job/RESPONSIBILITIES INCLUDE
============================================

A coaches job is to properly MOTIVATE each player and team, from training camp, all the way to the end of the season, most importantly in the play offs, but even after the season, to give players assignments in working in certain skills for the better of the team and for each individual/player to further their development
In the end, it is up to the player to do it or and how hard to train/develop/tone those skills, but that is where the GM must step in, if he doesn't feel the player is giving the effort to do so to either trade or release the player, hopefully while getting good value in return

It is also the head coaches responsibility and staff to fully correct the bad habits of players and a TEAM as a whole, thus "being held accountable", in the season for the play offs
Having good communication, respect, leadership qualities, assigning roles for each player and a TEAM as hole, along with developing future roles/skills for players team down the road, ability to a make adjustments, along with X's and O's, and maximizing the talent's of the TEAM is more important than maximizing a players abilities, along with motivating them through out the season and especially in the play offs where it counts the most.
Finding a balance between individual players achievements and the TEAM's goals takes sacrifices, but ultimately WINNING is the biggest prize along with a players contract for their motivation

NUMBERS are unfortunately, usually the ultimate factor in motivation for justifying players contracts, a reason why Melo always wants the ball in his hands and gives much effort in to producing NUMBERS even though if he will not utilize some of his energy on other area's even though they are crucial to being a WINNING TEAM

Every player wants to get paid in the league and it is up to the coach to find that balance in which players will get that chance to contribute and justify their contracts
Unfortunately, there is a salary cap, so NOT all players can get what they seek, and sometimes we need to cut ties with those who think they are worth more than they are especially when we can get a fair or even better in return for them

Adjustments are also needed for each team, from each game to the start of the season till the end, especially in the play offs again
Depending on match ups, opponents strengths and weakness's, and our own strength's and weakness's, a reason why DECEPTION and having a philosophy and the talent to run a system is needed, especially so ROLE PLAYERS are properly motivated to produce and stay in the game
That is why Melo's chances of advancing in play offs are weak, because he wants to generate numbers at an inefficient rate, at the expense of ball movement and chemistry, to justify his status and contract in the NBA
A balance must be made to properly motivate Melo and the team with ISO, along with creating opportunities and roles for the less talented players on the team

GM, President of Operations, Coaches, and sometimes *OWNERS's" must be able to work with each other
==========================================================================================================

In addition, to fully utilize the roster, management/GM/PRESIDENT of Operations/ *OWNERS* (each market has different business philosophies, the larger ones can afford to overpay in dollars, especially with luxury tax vs some of the smaller markets, but the ability to spend $ can not be confused with overpaying in terms of value/asset's, trades with the new CBA and how it is structured) ALL should be able to respect or at least WORK TOGETHER on building a TEAM with a game plan and philosophy

Having young player development is needed because of the salary cap, where there salaries are cheap but their upside is crucial with their development, which sometimes takes patience/hard work like on the Pacer's: Lance Stephenson, Paul George, and Roy Hibbert

But learning does not end with young players, a TEAM and vet's must continue to work hard/understand/ stay in shape, tone their skills, develop new skills, and work on their weakness's

We must always find ways to constantly improve the team as a whole and players skills, understanding of the game as it will always continue to change/ adapt/ and evolve vs each team along with our roster, all within the salary cap is the hardest part, this is where COACHES and GM's usually butt heads
A players value to the team is actually not measure with their NUMBERS but effect on the team as a whole, where as a GM and player usually would see it differently, especially with players seeking future contracts
Player development with coaches and trading a player for a *good return especially for salary cap reasons*, allows GM's to use salary cap to acquire a player sometimes MUCH cheaper than what their numbers show, like RUDY GAY who still has a ton of potential in him despite his horrible recent numbers and large contract

playing with the combination of TALENT, PHYSICAL ABILITIES, CHEMISTRY, BASKETBALL IQ, is necessary for each players individually, and for the TEAM
Having the right combination of young talent, young legs/physical abilities, with the knowledge/experience/leadership of VET's

GM's job and responsibilities
======================================

properly evaluate the talent and value of each player on the team and players in the league
when to develop, give up, and trade players (at the peak), along with bargain hunting for talent, getting maximum in return with leverage, signing cost efficient players, attracting ALL STAR players, recognizing ALL STAR's and even role players that are under valued and over valued (like Uri has done), constantly looking to acquire assets with trades, draft picks, FA signings, undrafted players, finding the scouts that they can trust and understands what he is trying to build on, along with patience for player development (like SA/PACER's has done), flipping/collecting assets, to use (like Morey has done)

Side notes
============

the same people that say Melo is a premiere talent in the league and try to justify the trade that we simply overpaid for him, and that he is a once in a chance player to get at his peak, that we "HAD to do"

also say

we cannot blame Melo because he has no TEAM, talent, and player around him to perform at a higher level
Well, if Melo said "I AM NOT SIGNING an EXTENSION WITH ANY OTHER TEAM BUT NYK's, then we wouldn't be in this game, and Melo/Denver/Knick's/Net's would have all been playing the chicken game and see if Denver was willing to let him walk for NO compensation and if Nets would trade for him with the so called "6 1st rounders or w/e" without Melo signing an extension
My guess, is that Walsh would have got a deal done that would have involved the garbage we got with Melo, with much less picks and/or Wilson Chandler, MosGov, Felton, and draft picks 1 unprotected, 1 swap, 2 GS 2nd round picks (which was predicted to be a high 2nd round picks as GS sucked at the time)

Maybe we can or we cannot, but if we didn't overpay for him, we would have the supporting cast, assets, youth, with players at PEAK VALUE at the time that we traded for a bunch of horrible contracts that disabled us to use acquire the talent we needed to actually have a supporting cast around him

So as we just started paying for the deals for Melo and not including the deal's that we overpaid because we had no leverage with other teams as we had to build a contending team with limited assets with the limited time we had, Melo can walk away from it all or we can continue to overpay him so he can be H20, Joe Johnson part 2/3, while he is going to be on the downside of his career and is not worth half of our teams salary cap space

or

can we justify Melo NOT TAKING a pay cut with all the prices/sacrifices we have paid since trading for him and trades after, along with the horrible 3m MLE spent on Kidd, Pablo/MWP,
2 years in a row, when we clearly needed talent to upgrade our depleted aged roster

The trade wasn't just for Melo it was for Melo and Billups. Knicks had an opportunity to amnesty Amare and allow Billups contract to expire giving us the ability to hit the free agent market hard and have a team built (this current season) that could make a run for a good amount of yrs. Then again last time we had major cap space we signed Amare to 100mil contract with no insurance when nobody else was offering him close to that amount so we might have failed with that opportunity as well. Not to mention we traded our lottery pick (Hill) after passing on a bunch of quality Gs(Derozen, Jennings, Holiday, Lawson, Teague) in order to save up enough money to end up giving Amare his 100mil. Instead we amnestied Billups an expiring contract to sign Tyson and kept ourselves at the mercy of Amare's knees. During the trade they had the opportunity to choose to add Fields as his value was high at this time, but chose to keep Fields and give up future draft pick(s)instead. Fields was later let go or nothing. Then Lin falls into our laps but they allow him to leave because Dolan's feelings were hurt that Lin went back for more money.

Bottom Line Knicks had plenty of options, opportunity & choices to be a high level team after the Melo trade but aren't because they made many poor decisions. Doesn't matter if we made the trade or not. The Knicks track record of poor decisions no matter what route they take would derail it anyway. Draft picks would still be traded for veteran players to get Gallo, Chandler, Amare, Felton, Fields, Douglas, Mozgov over the hump into playoff contention. As the Knicks wouldn't believe a young player would be able to come in and do it. Gallo, Chandler, Felton, Fields, Mozgov would probably all be overpaid.

So blame Melo now while he is on the Knicks like it was all Marbury's fault a couple yrs ago. Then when Melo is no longer on the Knicks and they are still making the same poor decisions we can blame the next player or coach or Gm.

Cut off the head, we might have a chance.

Dolan has to step away and take pride when his franchise succeeds that he made a good decision to delegate.