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BRIGGS
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12/4/2013  9:07 PM
#1 Barganani
#2 Hardaway
#3 Jeremy Tyler
I need to see Murry and Aldrich play advanced minutes

I am not anywhere near as high on Shumpert as others. He is not the same player pre injuries. If we do make trades and keep Shump--advanced playing time with more focus will determine more of his value.

If we can bring in 1-2 good young players and stock pile and or purchase 4-6 draft picks over the next 2 years--we could go into FA with 5-7 good young players we can put around two vets. I still think Bargs has upside potential IF he plays the right way and stays within 15 feet. He would certainly help a rebuilding process since he just turned 28 OR we can play him up and advance his trade value.

Everything else needs to go.

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gunsnewing
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12/4/2013  9:14 PM
I'm not gonna forget what you said about Shumpert. when a new coach comes in and respects him he will flourish
BigDaddyG
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12/4/2013  9:19 PM
Bargs is 28 now. It's time to get over this upside talk with him. THJ is still young, but his game has probably been tainted playing with this crew.
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CrushAlot
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12/4/2013  9:35 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:Bargs is 28 now. It's time to get over this upside talk with him. THJ is still young, but his game has probably been tainted playing with this crew.
Yeah but he was out with injuries for the better part of two years. I think he can still improve.
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sealy
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12/5/2013  10:36 AM
gunsnewing wrote:I'm not gonna forget what you said about Shumpert. when a new coach comes in and respects him he will flourish

I agree with you, but he needs to be more assertive and take the ball to the hoop. It's being said Woody may sit JR tonight and I think it may unfortunately have to do with showcasing Shump to up his trade value more than anything else.

Not crazy about Bargs because he seems to need to have the game catered to him in order to be effective. Would very much like to see Murry get some minutes. Who needs a true PG in an offense that doesn't have any flow or seem to run any sets?
nyk4ever
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12/5/2013  10:40 AM
gunsnewing wrote:I'm not gonna forget what you said about Shumpert. when a new coach comes in and respects him he will flourish

when a new coach comes in and respects him he will flourish?

if shumpert is sad because woodson is hard on him then i want nothing to do with shumpert. shumpert plays hard, but his game has seriously regressed.

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Panos
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12/5/2013  10:47 AM
BRIGGS wrote:#1 Barganani
#2 Hardaway
#3 Jeremy Tyler
I need to see Murry and Aldrich play advanced minutes

I am not anywhere near as high on Shumpert as others. He is not the same player pre injuries. If we do make trades and keep Shump--advanced playing time with more focus will determine more of his value.

If we can bring in 1-2 good young players and stock pile and or purchase 4-6 draft picks over the next 2 years--we could go into FA with 5-7 good young players we can put around two vets. I still think Bargs has upside potential IF he plays the right way and stays within 15 feet. He would certainly help a rebuilding process since he just turned 28 OR we can play him up and advance his trade value.

Everything else needs to go.


You lost me at #1.
Sorry, lose this softie. He has no motor.
tkf
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12/5/2013  11:12 AM
gunsnewing wrote:I'm not gonna forget what you said about Shumpert. when a new coach comes in and respects him he will flourish

I think shumpert is overrated around here, but I think he will be a much better player not playing in this dysfunction.. he is the only player I want to keep off this toxic dump.

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
tkf
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12/5/2013  11:13 AM
nyk4ever wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I'm not gonna forget what you said about Shumpert. when a new coach comes in and respects him he will flourish

when a new coach comes in and respects him he will flourish?

if shumpert is sad because woodson is hard on him then i want nothing to do with shumpert. shumpert plays hard, but his game has seriously regressed.

shumpert is sad because of the coddling of two morons and the double standard.... that is a tough environment to flourish in.. knicks mishandled him..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
tkf
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12/5/2013  11:13 AM
Panos wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:#1 Barganani
#2 Hardaway
#3 Jeremy Tyler
I need to see Murry and Aldrich play advanced minutes

I am not anywhere near as high on Shumpert as others. He is not the same player pre injuries. If we do make trades and keep Shump--advanced playing time with more focus will determine more of his value.

If we can bring in 1-2 good young players and stock pile and or purchase 4-6 draft picks over the next 2 years--we could go into FA with 5-7 good young players we can put around two vets. I still think Bargs has upside potential IF he plays the right way and stays within 15 feet. He would certainly help a rebuilding process since he just turned 28 OR we can play him up and advance his trade value.

Everything else needs to go.


You lost me at #1.
Sorry, lose this softie. He has no motor.

bingo!

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
gunsnewing
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12/5/2013  10:12 PM
You see what happens when Shumpert isn't frozen out of the offense. All that talk of he looks injured, finished etc means nothing now

It's really said that the only player I consider to have true Knick pride will soon no longer be a Knicks. He is in his 3rd year and still hazed like a rookie by his coach

Maybe Woodson changed his stance tonight. TBD
nixluva
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12/5/2013  10:24 PM
You Bargnani Bashers are freakin NUTS. He's been a good addition to this team and you may want someone else, but really he brings something we need. He's a very good Man defender against other C's. You don't have to give him help and we haven't been able to say that in the past. When I was pointing this out in the summer you guys were laughing but now you see that he's been very effective holding his own against other C's. We haven't been killed by bigs like Hibbert or Howard this year. When Tyson comes back we can have a pair of bigs that should be able to defend the paint.

I'm also very interested in seeing further development of THJ, Murry, Shump and Tyler down the line.
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