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BRIGGS
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12/1/2013  11:52 PM
Replace Prigs with Murry
Insert Aldrich as the starting C Nd use Kenyon off the bench to clog the middle
Offer Beno Udirih in a trade to any team for a 2nd round pick in 2014
Release Chris Smith


Lets start there--forget firing the coach--hes not the problem but everyone in the organization incuding Woodson needs to be flexible and willing to change it up a bit.

EVERY roster spot counts in the nBA--I can understand if our 15th spot went to a developing 18 year old with great talent--but get C Smith off of the roster--I believe some sht like that started this whole upheaval.

Udirh does not fit here--move him to a team--maybe Chicago??? for a 2nd rounder this year--hes cheap and he can help them--he wasting a spot here--he cant defend _+ too slow.

RIP Crushalot😞
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12/1/2013  11:56 PM
here's my suggestion with a lengthy explaination to match

http://diehardknicks.blogspot.com/2013/12/where-we-went-wrong-and-how-to-get-it.html

The format to any successful franchise is to have a sound plan on how you want to build your team and how you want it to be coached. The Spurs are the ultimate example of how you stick to your plan and reload with lateral moves to remain strong and consistent year in and year out. The Tony Parker, Manu and Duncan era of the spurs have been so successful because every single year they refresh the team with young talent that compliment that core 3. The Spurs know they want Duncan at power forward. Any other team would instantly make him their center. They understand how they want to use his strengths so they always had a grunt at center that was busy enough to do everything they need inside without stepping on Duncan's toes. They know they want Parker attacking the rim at all times, so they always put an above average shooter right next to him. They could have easily put Manu at that starting shooting guard spot. They want Manu to bring his offense and creativity off the bench. His talent could be used according to how the game was going. Keeping his minutes down off the bench Allowed Manu to go 100 miles a minute and still be relatively fresh game to game. Their small forward always was a glue guy that could shoot, defend and finish within the flow of the offense.

Enough stating the obvious. Check out the Knicks next opponent, The New Orleans Pelicans. People immediately talk about the Draft because they have former #1 pick Anthony Davis in the squad. They ignore the fact that every other player on the team was picked up via trade or free agent signing. The foundation sits directly on Anthony Davis Shoulders, but the first piece to the puzzle was acquiring Eric Gordon from the clippers. They eventually acquired Ryan Anderson from Orlando as well. This off season they traded their #1 pick for Jrue Holiday and also signed Tyreke Evans via free agency. Put that all together and all of a sudden you have a playoff caliber team within just a few seasons. Mix in several grunt style role players and a brilliant hard nosed young coach in Monty Williams and you are staring longevity in the face.

Why can't the Knicks paint that picture for success? The Knicks did everything right under Donnie Walsh to get the team under the cap and signed Amare Stoudamire. They piled enough talent to pull the trigger on a Carmelo Anthony trade. Where they went wrong was using Chancey Billups contract and acquiring Tyson Chandler from Dallas. Stopping right there.....They went and got Amare, Melo and Chandler and never went out to get a point guard. They were so lucky to have Lin and Baron Davis fall into our laps. So much for luck. Baron completely blew out his knee in the playoffs then the Knicks totally blew that Jeremy Lin contract situation in the off season. We then picked up Felton from the scrap heap. That essentially is the whole problem. Take Amare or Tyson out of the equation and stick a true point guard with some legs left in them and we have a very good basketball team. Nobody had the mind to think that you can't have a selfish scorer, a one dimensional dunker, and a offensively challenged center and not have an above average point guard. It's like we though we could stick anyone there and win. It doesn't help that Woodson wants to isolate everyone instead of running an offense. So now after the Indiana playoff series last season, they do what seemed to all be the right things. They brought in another proven scorer to help Melo in Bargnani. They added a veteran point guard coming off a decent showing in Orlando in Beno Urich. You had to think Amare, Kmart and Shumpert were all going to improve coming until the season. Felton said he lost 20 pounds. We picked up Metta World Peace and an outstanding rookie in Tim Hardaway Jr. What went wrong? Basically everything, but that everything goes back to when the knicks made the decision to trade for Melo. The Knicks immediately needed a top notch point guard. We didn't have to wait for Chris Paul but the knicks had options at the time to improve. Poor Tony Douglas. I already mentioned Lin and Baron.

So now we are 3-12. What's the plan?

If we want to build around Melo, first and foremost we need to get the ball out of his hands and in the hands of an above average ball handler. Melo is the go to guy for sure but the coach wants the ball to start and end with him isolating on every play. He expects the rest of the guys to play off that. That in turn means the coach and his entire staff need to go. The knicks also have Amare under plastic wrap where the guy plays every other game and at only 20 minutes a pop. That is detrimental to team chemistry and it needs to be eradicated. 3 simple moves. Can it be done? Yes. The question is when will the knicks get off their asses and take control.

As I stated in a previous blog, Isaiah Thomas is a young dynamic talent dangling in the wind right now on Sacramento's bench. He's not Chris Paul but he's on par with any young point guard you can think of. He's not dangling because he sucks. You can't average 17pts per game and suck. The Kings just took a stand and decided to build around Grievas and Ben Mclemore in their back court. Right off the bat the knicks could trade Felton and Shumpert for Thompson and Isaiah Thomas. It's a clear fit for both teams with what they are trying to do. Next you eliminate Amare from the equation with the best trade available that helps our franchise, or you simply send him home. Next you trade Beno and Metta for second round picks to contenders out of respect to them. You clean up your mess and set the ship in the right course. We can accelerate the 2015 plan for 2014 where Melo is going to be a free agent. We take a stand now and show everyone we are dead serious about winning. As of right now we are headed back to being the laughing stock of the league. Thankfully the Brooklyn nets suck too because They would have been front runners in kicking us while we're down.

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12/1/2013  11:56 PM
I disagree with you the coach has to be moved too. Woody is part of the problem he is playing favoritism with the players and it's very obvious.
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12/2/2013  10:02 AM
EnySpree wrote:here's my suggestion with a lengthy explaination to match

http://diehardknicks.blogspot.com/2013/12/where-we-went-wrong-and-how-to-get-it.html

As I stated in a previous blog, Isaiah Thomas is a young dynamic talent dangling in the wind right now on Sacramento's bench. He's not Chris Paul but he's on par with any young point guard you can think of. He's not dangling because he sucks. You can't average 17pts per game and suck. The Kings just took a stand and decided to build around Grievas and Ben Mclemore in their back court. Right off the bat the knicks could trade Felton and Shumpert for Thompson and Isaiah Thomas. It's a clear fit for both teams with what they are trying to do. Next you eliminate Amare from the equation with the best trade available that helps our franchise, or you simply send him home. Next you trade Beno and Metta for second round picks to contenders out of respect to them. You clean up your mess and set the ship in the right course. We can accelerate the 2015 plan for 2014 where Melo is going to be a free agent. We take a stand now and show everyone we are dead serious about winning. As of right now we are headed back to being the laughing stock of the league. Thankfully the Brooklyn nets suck too because They would have been front runners in kicking us while we're down.

Go knicks!

Nice post, but apparently, you can lead the league in scoring and still suck [see Melo]. And IT is shooting 44%, that's a whole 1.7% better than Melo.

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12/2/2013  10:06 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/2/2013  12:33 PM
The biggest disappointment with Woodson last night was when he pulled Prigioni for Felton the last 7-8 mins. or so. Priggy left when we were +6 I believe and the ball was moving well all around the perimeter. THJ was reaping the benefits, knocking down all those deep shots. It was the only stretch Melo looked in rhythm as well all night....Timeout New Orleans, then after a break in the action, he comes back with Felton the rest of the way and we look like a completely different team. As soon as we pissed away the 6-point lead in what felt like 10 seconds, it wouldn't have taken me long to go back to Prigs there. Biggest mistake of the game and that's on Woodson (along with allowing JR Smith to continually have the damn ball in his hands time after time with the clock running down looking to make decisions for the team...Another horrible decision where there was no adjustment). You gotta recognize the impact Prigs was having and ride that out the last 5-8 mins or so, whatever it was. To me, that was the game. I just don't get it --- what game was Woody watching last night???

Having said that -- I agree I would do some other things first BEFORE letting Woody go and said as much about a week ago:

#1 - Play Cole Aldrich and Toure Murry. We need to see if these 2 can help us, have a positive impact and possibly be a catalyst toward regaining our winning ways...If I were Woody, with my back up against the wall the way it is, I would have to know what I had with these 2 before I got canned. Simple as that. Steve Mills should wanna know as well. Not to mention that each guy has the potential to give us a much needed lift in 2 glaring areas of need -- in the middle and in the backcourt at both guard spots. I was asking for a 10 game sample for each guy 8 games ago!! This minor move is long overdue.

#2 - If Aldrich and Murry got their chance and didn't have the impact I was looking for, I'd trim the fat at the end of this roster (opening up a good 3 spots starting with Chris Smith's), identify all of our weaknesses and re-tool with some young, cheap alternatives that could potentially fix some of these problems. There are options out there --- Marcus Cousin as a good all-around 5-man; Hassan Whiteside or Jordan Henriquez for some legit rim protection; Malcolm Thomas (playing out of his mind in the DL -- he's looking like Michael Beasley at K-State!) or Kevin Jones as a younger, more productive option over STAT and K-Mart at the 4; and a good young, cheap PG that could give us a different look (increase overall speed & breakdown ability and believe it or not adding more scoring at the point could be a blessing as well) like Pierre Jackson (this could be our very own Kemba Walker right here, a guy with just as much ability as little Isaiah Thomas--more probably), Jeremy Pargo, Curtis Jerrells, or a crafty lead guard that can shoot the lights out like Seth Curry (he's come back down to Earth a little the past couple of games but is still showing a lot of positives---last game he had 9 T/Os but nearly had a triple-double with 9 dimes). Those are the guys I'd have lined up to augment the end of this roster in the hopes of coming up with a spark.

This is my plan before canning Woody. Execute #1 & #2 first. Look for help here first before unloading Shumpert for pennies on the dollar or before surrendering and trading away Tyson and Melo. If I were Steve Mills, I'd have to be completely sure I couldn't win with this group led by Melo before I threw the towel in and started over. A & B before C & D ---> Look to 2 young players from within for a spark; reshape the end of the roster attempting to come up with legit fixes and better options; then and only then think about **** canning Woody; and finally if by the deadline we're still not showing any life at all, then execute the firesale and start over. To me, there's gotta be attempts at a solution first before progressing toward that type of conclusion...I'm not asking for a blockbuster trade here -- these are all reasonable things well within our power I'm asking for us to do....See, I would've put this plan in motion 10 games ago.. The longer we wait, the more complicated things become, the worse things get and the harder it becomes to fix. Put this minor plan in motion here and let's see if we can shake things up a bit and turn things around.

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12/2/2013  1:49 PM
i dont wanna see aldrich...hes a Bad player...lol
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
BRIGGS
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12/2/2013  1:55 PM
callmened wrote:i dont wanna see aldrich...hes a Bad player...lol

Ive seen a lot of layups weve given up. How about taking a chance at putting a player in there who can clog the lane and rebound?

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12/2/2013  2:45 PM

Suggestion to the knicks.....

Im so much happier not watching. I have seen this movie before and the sequel.

I can so deal with not winning when we have Utes and picks. I was so much happier when we had our picks, our Utes and while we were not championship quality it was moving in the right direction, it was about progress.

Somber days indeed.

Play Murry. Cut Chris smith.

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12/2/2013  6:47 PM
Play Chris Smith...let him start. That way, we can all at least be entertained by the joke, instead of its lying just below the surface like a festering malignancy.
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12/2/2013  6:51 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Replace Prigs with Murry
Insert Aldrich as the starting C Nd use Kenyon off the bench to clog the middle
Offer Beno Udirih in a trade to any team for a 2nd round pick in 2014
Release Chris Smith


Lets start there--forget firing the coach--hes not the problem but everyone in the organization incuding Woodson needs to be flexible and willing to change it up a bit.

EVERY roster spot counts in the nBA--I can understand if our 15th spot went to a developing 18 year old with great talent--but get C Smith off of the roster--I believe some sht like that started this whole upheaval.

Udirh does not fit here--move him to a team--maybe Chicago??? for a 2nd rounder this year--hes cheap and he can help them--he wasting a spot here--he cant defend _+ too slow.

I like the idea about Aldrich and getting Murry some run. Not sure about sitting Prigs as the ball always moves when he is on the floor. The Knicks should move Beno and I am sure they could get a second rounder for him. Release Chris Smith and bring back Jeremy Tyler.

I am not sure if Chris is the guy that gets released when Tyler is ready. He is the guy in the prospect watch box for the Bayhawks site through nba.com. I don't know how they choose which prospect to watch. If it is based on guys with nba contracts that were sent down there it makes sense. It isn't because of his play or numbers. If the organization chooses who is highlighted then the situation is pretty scary.

I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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12/2/2013  6:54 PM
Also, the team needs to do something to rid themselves of Amare. He can't play and I don't think he will ever play right again. The term liability on the court doesn't begin to describe how much he hurts the team. Just because the guy appears highly engaged during time outs doesn't mean he can play.
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12/2/2013  9:12 PM
Moonangie wrote:Play Chris Smith...let him start. That way, we can all at least be entertained by the joke, instead of its lying just below the surface like a festering malignancy.

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12/2/2013  9:16 PM
Moonangie wrote:Play Chris Smith...let him start. That way, we can all at least be entertained by the joke, instead of its lying just below the surface like a festering malignancy.

Can we do that? I can't see Erie letting him go the way he's been tearing it up lol

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