BRIGGS wrote:

Clean wrote:

PresIke wrote:we have talent, but the mix is not working, nor right, i think.

i do think a coaching change is at hand, but dolan hates doing that.

woody did great for us with the right veterans and young player mix. as for his skill motivating young players and melo without this veteran support i am wondering if he is the right guy now.

sucks, or we make deals from weakness involving shump or whoever else's value is down.

I don't agree with the bold. The vets covered up his lack of coaching ability.

Im sure Woody can stop the athletic guards of opponents from physically manhandling our guards? Im sure Woody can stop Ryan Andersen torching Carmelo from 28 feet? That team had better players even without Davis. Who was checking Evans? The guy was walking into the lane--knick PGs dont have the ability to guard a 6-6 PG with his speed.

Those points you mentioned and Woody's lack of coaching ability is not mutually exclusive. They are all happening at the same time. This is why we suck right now. Those things happening that you mentioned does not make it impossible for Woody to be a bad coach.

Let me ask the people in this thread what are the issues Woody had as a coach in his 1st playoff vs the Heat. Then look at every single playoff series after that and ask yourself if he fixed those problems he had. He was continually getting exposed in the playoffs, including in ATL. Now the teams are doing it in the regular season.

TeamBall wrote:

knickscity wrote:

knickscity wrote:L.

Jrue with a triple double, I'd even be willing to bet Ryan Anderson outscores Melo.

Welp at least on the positive, J Rue didnt get the trip dub....lol

This team is so damn bad...cant even beat the team without davis.

Have to be the dumbest team in the league

Clean wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Clean wrote:

PresIke wrote:we have talent, but the mix is not working, nor right, i think.

i do think a coaching change is at hand, but dolan hates doing that.

woody did great for us with the right veterans and young player mix. as for his skill motivating young players and melo without this veteran support i am wondering if he is the right guy now.

sucks, or we make deals from weakness involving shump or whoever else's value is down.

I don't agree with the bold. The vets covered up his lack of coaching ability.

Im sure Woody can stop the athletic guards of opponents from physically manhandling our guards? Im sure Woody can stop Ryan Andersen torching Carmelo from 28 feet? That team had better players even without Davis. Who was checking Evans? The guy was walking into the lane--knick PGs dont have the ability to guard a 6-6 PG with his speed.

Those points you mentioned and Woody's lack of coaching ability is not mutually exclusive. They are all happening at the same time. This is why we suck right now. Those things happening that you mentioned does not make it impossible for Woody to be a bad coach.

Let me ask the people in this thread what are the issues Woody had as a coach in his 1st playoff vs the Heat. Then look at every single playoff series after that and ask yourself if he fixed those problems he had. He was continually getting exposed in the playoffs, including in ATL. Now the teams are doing it in the regular season.

It doesnt matter who coaches the Knicks. Did you watch the game--what team had more physical basketball talent? And Davis played 6 minutes and hes the best player on either side. So if we had Phil Jackson wed be 5-11 rather than 3-13--who FC?

nixluva wrote:I'm tired of the roster excuse for why the team is playing poorly. Execution has NOTHING to do with pure athletic ability. Woody's team isn't losing because of talent. Dude is making poor decisions and the team lacks fundamental BB principles. They can't close games due to breakdowns in basic defense and offense. That's on him. He isn't playing the right players for the right reasons. He has no answers.

What coach do you want? Lets hear it

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm tired of the roster excuse for why the team is playing poorly. Execution has NOTHING to do with pure athletic ability. Woody's team isn't losing because of talent. Dude is making poor decisions and the team lacks fundamental BB principles. They can't close games due to breakdowns in basic defense and offense. That's on him. He isn't playing the right players for the right reasons. He has no answers.

What coach do you want? Lets hear it

The team has no damn heart.

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm tired of the roster excuse for why the team is playing poorly. Execution has NOTHING to do with pure athletic ability. Woody's team isn't losing because of talent. Dude is making poor decisions and the team lacks fundamental BB principles. They can't close games due to breakdowns in basic defense and offense. That's on him. He isn't playing the right players for the right reasons. He has no answers.

What coach do you want? Lets hear it

Who would you want? This isn't about me. Mills and Dolan have to make that decision. Guys like Hollins are out there and we all know the other names. Most are better than Woody IMO.

My take is that no coach will do materially better --its kind of ridiculous to say fire the coach and have no substitute in your mind.

dk7th wrote:the only way you get out of this downward spiral is to put your five best defenders out there. it is ass backwards to have a team who plays defense only so long as they are playing well on offense.

conditioning is an issue, of course, but we have to get a solid defensive effort to right the ship.

woodson was looking for a change in attitude tonight and he didn't quite get it. he needs to take drastic measures now. he should abandon the switching and throw a zone in there once in a while too.

starters:

prigioni
shumpert
artest
martin
anthony

even that lineup is small, not that athletic, old and not that talented.... if that is our best hope, we are in real trouble..

BRIGGS wrote:

knickscity wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm tired of the roster excuse for why the team is playing poorly. Execution has NOTHING to do with pure athletic ability. Woody's team isn't losing because of talent. Dude is making poor decisions and the team lacks fundamental BB principles. They can't close games due to breakdowns in basic defense and offense. That's on him. He isn't playing the right players for the right reasons. He has no answers.

What coach do you want? Lets hear it

Who would you want? This isn't about me. Mills and Dolan have to make that decision. Guys like Hollins are out there and we all know the other names. Most are better than Woody IMO.

My take is that no coach will do materially better --its kind of ridiculous to say fire the coach and have no substitute in your mind.

Usually when a coach gets canned, the team gets a "few win" bump....maybe that bump justifies this garbage team.

but this team is terrible, most knew it over the summer.

Jim Dolan just came out and said he liked Woody and hes a very patient man. Woodys going no where--he cant play for the team. I did not see anything that he did that was so awful--the only things that I see that he has not tried within reason are using Murry and Aldrich--replace Prigs with Murry and start Aldrich at the C. He has not tried that--and maybe he shouldve--its within reason to try.

The one thing i did see was Shump got benched for calling out Melo....but cant blame Woody for that, Melo runs the team.

And of course playing JR Shyt.