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We need higher Percentages/Smarts, coaching discipline and cohesion (among 34 other things)...
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jskinny35
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11/30/2013  6:31 PM
Regardless of people's division about Melo -do we all agree that hero ball is less effective then getting the best shot (through movement, penetration, etc)? It just doesn't make sense that one person is more likely to make a higher percentage of shots when the defense knows who's shooting compared to the unknown (anybody can shoot)...

Melo - The problem is with decision-making and judgement. The shot last night wasn't a terrible choice - he had a height advantage and wasn't 24 feet from the basket... but, it's a low percentage shot compared to what he could get if we moved the ball or ran a play.

Woodson - I think most of us agree that he bears most of the responsibility with play calling and playing to our strengths. Could we not set up a better shot or do we always have to go with hero ball? I realize this is a Knicks things, as I remember Crawford always dribbling around before doing his patterned crossover and pull up. If you're L.James you can hold the ball - because the spacing is there and he's a great passer. Melo should't have the ball in his hands the whole time, as he's not a great decision maker or passer. (This is why many people liked Lin - even though he turned the ball over - he penetrated and kept the ball moving most of the time)

Felton - Understand he's hurt - but he looks terrible in this slow down offense - When he was in D'Antonio's system - he played to his strengths and was more effective at least.

Center - pick a plan and stick with it for a few games. Some nights we have KMart next to Bargs and other times we have Melo and Bargs - pick one lineup with some thought and improve it during practice. Understand any lineup we put out there has pros and cons - since we have mostly one-way players. It's like Prigs starts b/c Felton doesn't pass well enough for a PG, other times it's Shump starts b/c of other's defensive deficiencies. But he can't shoot so we need Bargs and Melo to compensate... etc... There's also no cohesion - I'd be fine with Cole, Bargs - but you can't keep switching it and expecting everyone to mesh if you change it 2 games later...

As fans we see that we need more movement, cutting, etc... Why did Woodson not continue D'Antonio's offensive style while incorportaing a tougher defensive approach - he did this during his first year (when he took over mid-season)? We are slow, predictable and ineffective all around. You watch league pass and see OKC, GS, Ind and all these other teams play with movement, spacing and energy. We look like the 50 and over league with one 39 year old star allowed to run with us... very sad.

To summarize, not only does Woodson's lack of play calling and leadership need to go - so does this offensive style regardless of who the next coach is... What I'm coming to is that it will take a Van Gundy/P.Jackson/Riley type of coach (with clout) to change Melo and the offensive and defensive philosophies needed to head in the right direction. Since these above coaches would never come here, who are lesser famous coaches that wouldn't be afraid to challenge Melo or JR, and instill some discipline and order in this sinking "buddy" group we have right now? I'd love a Skiles-type but maybe looking for a successful college or professional assistant coach that could possibly succeed in NY would work.

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IronWillGiroud
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11/30/2013  6:45 PM
Beautiful,

I look forward to your discussion on the other 34 things

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11/30/2013  7:30 PM
I mention Skiles as a good coaching choice. I like what he brings. I look at the Portland coach who was terrible with the Bucks but turned it around with the Blazers and is winning coach. I feel Skiles needs a different situation don't how much different the Knicks are than the Bucks though. But Scott Skiles gets my vote for next coach of the Knicks if Phil Jackson won't take the job.
arkrud
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11/30/2013  11:14 PM
Replacing the coach or reshuffling the players will not help.
We saw this for 15 years already and result is well... terrible.
This team needs a vision and plan. Not replacement... there is nothing to replace.
Donny had both but he all get scratched by scared idiot owner.
You vision can be wrong and plan can fail but if yo u do not have any you doomed 100%.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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11/30/2013  11:18 PM
Vmart wrote:I mention Skiles as a good coaching choice. I like what he brings. I look at the Portland coach who was terrible with the Bucks but turned it around with the Blazers and is winning coach. I feel Skiles needs a different situation don't how much different the Knicks are than the Bucks though. But Scott Skiles gets my vote for next coach of the Knicks if Phil Jackson won't take the job.
If Skiles could come in and have autonomy I think he would be a great choice. With Grunwald gone and Mills in place I am not sure if there is much of a buffer between the coach and owner and what happens day to day with the team. In a sense Woodson has compromised his integrity on several occasions and I don't think Skiles would do that. Not sure that he takes a job in NY unless he can set guys minutes and have a say on who makes the team and who plays. Also, I don't see anyone coming to take over for Woodson in-season. I think that hire would be for next year. If Woodson is fired I think the hire is in house.
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arkrud
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11/30/2013  11:24 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:I mention Skiles as a good coaching choice. I like what he brings. I look at the Portland coach who was terrible with the Bucks but turned it around with the Blazers and is winning coach. I feel Skiles needs a different situation don't how much different the Knicks are than the Bucks though. But Scott Skiles gets my vote for next coach of the Knicks if Phil Jackson won't take the job.
If Skiles could come in and have autonomy I think he would be a great choice. With Grunwald gone and Mills in place I am not sure if there is much of a buffer between the coach and owner and what happens day to day with the team. In a sense Woodson has compromised his integrity on several occasions and I don't think Skiles would do that. Not sure that he takes a job in NY unless he can set guys minutes and have a say on who makes the team and who plays. Also, I don't see anyone coming to take over for Woodson in-season. I think that hire would be for next year. If Woodson is fired I think the hire is in house.

We have Herb. This team run by Melo anyways so this does not matter.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
CrushAlot
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11/30/2013  11:29 PM
arkrud wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:I mention Skiles as a good coaching choice. I like what he brings. I look at the Portland coach who was terrible with the Bucks but turned it around with the Blazers and is winning coach. I feel Skiles needs a different situation don't how much different the Knicks are than the Bucks though. But Scott Skiles gets my vote for next coach of the Knicks if Phil Jackson won't take the job.
If Skiles could come in and have autonomy I think he would be a great choice. With Grunwald gone and Mills in place I am not sure if there is much of a buffer between the coach and owner and what happens day to day with the team. In a sense Woodson has compromised his integrity on several occasions and I don't think Skiles would do that. Not sure that he takes a job in NY unless he can set guys minutes and have a say on who makes the team and who plays. Also, I don't see anyone coming to take over for Woodson in-season. I think that hire would be for next year. If Woodson is fired I think the hire is in house.

We have Herb. This team run by Melo anyways so this does not matter.

I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
We need higher Percentages/Smarts, coaching discipline and cohesion (among 34 other things)...

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