Bonn1997 wrote:I think Denver would get Wiggins in this scenario. Is there any protection on the pick we gave them?

Nope

funny thing is, we made the trade, and today...... we suck.. with no pick...in this draft... wow

masud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I think Denver would get Wiggins in this scenario. Is there any protection on the pick we gave them?

Nope

Brilliant, it's like the Eddy Curry trade never happened- glad Dolan never learnt anything from that experience.

smackeddog wrote:

Vmart wrote:I thought it was a swap with Denver? If the Knicks have a higher pick it goes to Denver.

I think that's still to come in 2016. I think 2014 we give the pick outright, and then 2016 we swap (but then we gave away what we're left to to Toronto in the Bargs trade), as we demonstrated with our excellent track record over the past 12 years, first round picks are completely unnecessary and should be traded away unnecessarily at the first opportunity as a courtesy to the other team for answering your phone call.

EXACTLY, this is an unprotected pick...the 2016 was the swap, but we traded that away picks for Bargs.... so we have no picks at all in those two years I think.. 2014/2016

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Vmart wrote:I thought it was a swap with Denver? If the Knicks have a higher pick it goes to Denver.

I think that's still to come in 2016. I think 2014 we give the pick outright, and then 2016 we swap (but then we gave away what we're left to to Toronto in the Bargs trade), as we demonstrated with our excellent track record over the past 12 years, first round picks are completely unnecessary and should be traded away unnecessarily at the first opportunity as a courtesy to the other team for answering your phone call.

EXACTLY, this is an unprotected pick...the 2016 was the swap, but we traded that away picks for Bargs.... so we have no picks at all in those two years I think.. 2014/2016

I swear we're the only team in the nba that doesn't bother protecting the picks that we trade- everyone else seems to at least get top 3 protected- sometimes even top 10! What is so hard about this basic concept that so escapes the Knicks?!

desperation, they (dolan) wanted to get this deal so bad, he would have given up protection on every pick, even if we were guaranteed to get a top 5 pick.. LOL...

It just highlights the way we do business... people look at my criticism of this as if carmelo is a bum.. He isn't a bum, but he isn't a star player,and not one you pay this kind of price for... I just want people to realize what we did.. and I am not going to argue how good chandler, gallo and moz are because they all were extended by denver and their record has been better than ours since the trade...so I will leave it at that..

but not just the players, the expiring curry contract, the 2014 unprotected pick, the second round picks, the 2016 swap.. to me, that is just irresponsible..... and then we take the swap and trade it for Bargnani, which IMO is just as criminal... completely irresponsible.. it is as if we just won't stop!!! if we could trade the 2015 pick, I bet it would have been gone by now..

y2zipper wrote:The problem wasn't the pursuit of Carmelo or the package that was given up. The problem was signing Amare Stoudamire to a 5-year guaranteed contract when his knee issues were well-known.

actually it wasn't, because had we not made the trade, we could have amnestied amare.. we would have still had picks and cap space to make moves with... all the moves after amare were not smart..