NardDogNation wrote:Andrea's had a few good games recently but I'm not buying the hype. I sincerely hope we move him for the best value we can get before his offense goes haywire. Am I the only one that think his numbers are fool's gold?

his rebounding is obviously poor, but why do you think his numbers are fool's gold?

15 points per game on 51.6 percent shooting and 44 percent from downtown. In the four games that Chandler has been out, Bargnani has averaged 21 points on 53 percent shooting, 50% from 3 point land.

martin wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Andrea's had a few good games recently but I'm not buying the hype. I sincerely hope we move him for the best value we can get before his offense goes haywire. Am I the only one that think his numbers are fool's gold?

his rebounding is obviously poor, but why do you think his numbers are fool's gold?

15 points per game on 51.6 percent shooting and 44 percent from downtown. In the four games that Chandler has been out, Bargnani has averaged 21 points on 53 percent shooting, 50% from 3 point land.

I think a lot of the (empty) criticism lobbed at Carmelo are actually true when talking about Bargnani. He's scoring the ball well but it's coming against lower tiered teams that he can exploit on occasion. Come playoff time or against determined competition, all those looks and shots he's getting will be closed out on. Personally, I don't think he's good enough to play under that kind of pressure because he lacks any viable countermoves and the ballhandling/explosiveness to gain separation from his defender, which is why he was such a flop in Toronto. Outside of his offense, Bargnani is wholly useless. Though he has some skill as a man defender, he may be the worst help defender I've seen that operates from the post. That is a critical flaw given the frequency we switch defenders at and the great deal of perimeter talent in the league that is adept at getting to the rim. Because of all of these things, I think his numbers are fool's gold, leaving us with the impression that Bargnani could be a guy that can help shoulder the responsibilities of this team.

yellowboy90 wrote:

martin wrote:I am beginning to think Bocker is right, Bargnani would be gold next to Howard in Houston.

They will probably go with Ryan Anderson who is cheaper and a surer thing. The problem would be N.O. wanting to take on Asik contract for next year if its 15 million on the cap. Also, does Asik's and Davis' games work together offensively.

Davis has a soft touch and has some ability to put the ball on the floor. I think his offensive game could mesh next to Asik but it would not exactly be an ideal situation.

martin wrote:I am beginning to think Bocker is right, Bargnani would be gold next to Howard in Houston.

Bargs needs to be featured and Howard demands to be featured. Perfect situation for Bargnani would be like Rik Smits had with the Davis brothers around him. Pure hustle rebounding and defense. I thought we could possibly have that with Chandler and Martin.

martin wrote:I am beginning to think Bocker is right, Bargnani would be gold next to Howard in Houston.

Yeah, I actually think Houston is the best fit for him too. D12 is the ying, to his yang. The problem is that Ryan Anderson might be available and is a better, more complete player than Bargnani. I also think Charlotte would be interested in Bargnani, if for no other reason, that they have nothing to lose by getting him and they need offensive players.

yellowboy90 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

martin wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Andrea's had a few good games recently but I'm not buying the hype. I sincerely hope we move him for the best value we can get before his offense goes haywire. Am I the only one that think his numbers are fool's gold?

his rebounding is obviously poor, but why do you think his numbers are fool's gold?

15 points per game on 51.6 percent shooting and 44 percent from downtown. In the four games that Chandler has been out, Bargnani has averaged 21 points on 53 percent shooting, 50% from 3 point land.

I think a lot of the (empty) criticism lobbed at Carmelo are actually true when talking about Bargnani. He's scoring the ball well but it's coming against lower tiered teams that he can exploit on occasion. Come playoff time or against determined competition, all those looks and shots he's getting will be closed out on. Personally, I don't think he's good enough to play under that kind of pressure because he lacks any viable countermoves and the ballhandling/explosiveness to gain separation from his defender, which is why he was such a flop in Toronto. Outside of his offense, Bargnani is wholly useless. Though he has some skill as a man defender, he may be the worst help defender I've seen that operates from the post. That is a critical flaw given the frequency we switch defenders at and the great deal of perimeter talent in the league that is adept at getting to the rim. Because of all of these things, I think his numbers are fool's gold, leaving us with the impression that Bargnani could be a guy that can help shoulder the responsibilities of this team.

Well if you look at the shots he is getting and the numbers it is not that different from his past. He has always been one of the better PnP bigs, usually has high mid range numbers, and shoots the 3 well from the top of the arch. Also, the counter move is the drive and pull up or drive to the rim which has not been successful. The next step is to post him up if teams switch the PnP and leaves him matched up against the guard.

Bargnani has no real post game. He definitely tries but he can't hold his position for nothing. It speaks to a much greater problem with him and that is his lack of leg strength. When you see him shoot, the force to carry his shot is almost entirely generated from his arms and we're less than 10 games into the season. As the season wears on and his legs take an even greater beating and become even less of a factor in his shooting posture, I expect to see a big drop in his effectiveness from deep. Take away Bargnani's range and what are you left with? He has no other tangible skill to speak of.

NardDogNation wrote:Andrea's had a few good games recently but I'm not buying the hype. I sincerely hope we move him for the best value we can get before his offense goes haywire. Am I the only one that think his numbers are fool's gold?

I said that from day one.. we know he can hit a few jumpers, but he doesn't protect the basket and doesn't rebound...

NardDogNation wrote:

nixluva wrote:Yet another BULL ISH thread about Bargs. Leave it alone man.

Why can't there be an opinion about him?

There can it just can't be different.