holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

We didn't offer him a contract.

Yeah, he could have helped us more than Pablo.
We also should have had team options on years 2 and 3 of the contract we offered him anyway.

Not really sure why Pablo had to have part of the mle, but then again MWP wanted to be a Knick his whole life and got the other part.

I dont think the team can offer a three year deal in this cba to undrafted guys, but that second year should have been automatic.

I don't know. Somehow Patrick Beverly had a team option on the 2nd and 3rd years. Maybe it's because Houston was under the cap?

Bonn, what do your stats tell us we need to do to fix this mess?!

Hire a good metrics analyst and give him the power to make all final decisions.

That's working out well for Memphis..Didn't they hire the god of metrics??

they traded their leading scorer and still went to the wcf....seems like metrics paid well.

With Gay they might of been in the Finals...Went to the ECF and lose 4-0 isn't anything to be proud of...

Since when is making the Conference finals nothing to be proud of? Thats the furthest that team has been.

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

We didn't offer him a contract.

Yeah, he could have helped us more than Pablo.
We also should have had team options on years 2 and 3 of the contract we offered him anyway.

Not really sure why Pablo had to have part of the mle, but then again MWP wanted to be a Knick his whole life and got the other part.

I dont think the team can offer a three year deal in this cba to undrafted guys, but that second year should have been automatic.

I don't know. Somehow Patrick Beverly had a team option on the 2nd and 3rd years. Maybe it's because Houston was under the cap?

Bonn, what do your stats tell us we need to do to fix this mess?!

Hire a good metrics analyst and give him the power to make all final decisions.

That's working out well for Memphis..Didn't they hire the god of metrics??

they traded their leading scorer and still went to the wcf....seems like metrics paid well.

With Gay they might of been in the Finals...Went to the ECF and lose 4-0 isn't anything to be proud of...

Basketball doesnt work in "what if's and might have beens", you are what you did....Grizz lost nothing when they traded Rudy.

Since when is making the Conference finals nothing to be proud of? Thats the furthest that team has been.

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

We didn't offer him a contract.

Yeah, he could have helped us more than Pablo.
We also should have had team options on years 2 and 3 of the contract we offered him anyway.

Not really sure why Pablo had to have part of the mle, but then again MWP wanted to be a Knick his whole life and got the other part.

I dont think the team can offer a three year deal in this cba to undrafted guys, but that second year should have been automatic.

I don't know. Somehow Patrick Beverly had a team option on the 2nd and 3rd years. Maybe it's because Houston was under the cap?

Bonn, what do your stats tell us we need to do to fix this mess?!

Hire a good metrics analyst and give him the power to make all final decisions.

That's working out well for Memphis..Didn't they hire the god of metrics??

they traded their leading scorer and still went to the wcf....seems like metrics paid well.

With Gay they might of been in the Finals...Went to the ECF and lose 4-0 isn't anything to be proud of...

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

We didn't offer him a contract.

Yeah, he could have helped us more than Pablo.
We also should have had team options on years 2 and 3 of the contract we offered him anyway.

Not really sure why Pablo had to have part of the mle, but then again MWP wanted to be a Knick his whole life and got the other part.

I dont think the team can offer a three year deal in this cba to undrafted guys, but that second year should have been automatic.

I don't know. Somehow Patrick Beverly had a team option on the 2nd and 3rd years. Maybe it's because Houston was under the cap?

Bonn, what do your stats tell us we need to do to fix this mess?!

Hire a good metrics analyst and give him the power to make all final decisions.

That's working out well for Memphis..Didn't they hire the god of metrics??

they traded their leading scorer and still went to the wcf....seems like metrics paid well.

With Gay they might of been in the Finals...Went to the ECF and lose 4-0 isn't anything to be proud of...

Basketball doesnt work in "what if's and might have beens", you are what you did....Grizz lost nothing when they traded Rudy.

Since when is making the Conference finals nothing to be proud of? Thats the furthest that team has been.

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

We didn't offer him a contract.

Yeah, he could have helped us more than Pablo.
We also should have had team options on years 2 and 3 of the contract we offered him anyway.

Not really sure why Pablo had to have part of the mle, but then again MWP wanted to be a Knick his whole life and got the other part.

I dont think the team can offer a three year deal in this cba to undrafted guys, but that second year should have been automatic.

I don't know. Somehow Patrick Beverly had a team option on the 2nd and 3rd years. Maybe it's because Houston was under the cap?

Bonn, what do your stats tell us we need to do to fix this mess?!

Hire a good metrics analyst and give him the power to make all final decisions.

That's working out well for Memphis..Didn't they hire the god of metrics??

they traded their leading scorer and still went to the wcf....seems like metrics paid well.

With Gay they might of been in the Finals...Went to the ECF and lose 4-0 isn't anything to be proud of...

Basketball doesnt work in "what if's and might have beens", you are what you did....Grizz lost nothing when they traded Rudy.

Since when is making the Conference finals nothing to be proud of? Thats the furthest that team has been.

I get that but does that mean you don't post the what if a guy played 36 minutes posts anymore? Because often the guys talked about in those scenarios aren't good enough to be on the court for that length of time but on paper their stats project out well.

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

We didn't offer him a contract.

Yeah, he could have helped us more than Pablo.
We also should have had team options on years 2 and 3 of the contract we offered him anyway.

Not really sure why Pablo had to have part of the mle, but then again MWP wanted to be a Knick his whole life and got the other part.

I dont think the team can offer a three year deal in this cba to undrafted guys, but that second year should have been automatic.

I don't know. Somehow Patrick Beverly had a team option on the 2nd and 3rd years. Maybe it's because Houston was under the cap?

Bonn, what do your stats tell us we need to do to fix this mess?!

Hire a good metrics analyst and give him the power to make all final decisions.

That's working out well for Memphis..Didn't they hire the god of metrics??

they traded their leading scorer and still went to the wcf....seems like metrics paid well.

With Gay they might of been in the Finals...Went to the ECF and lose 4-0 isn't anything to be proud of...

Basketball doesnt work in "what if's and might have beens", you are what you did....Grizz lost nothing when they traded Rudy.

Since when is making the Conference finals nothing to be proud of? Thats the furthest that team has been.

I get that but does that mean you don't post the what if a guy played 36 minutes posts anymore? Because often the guys talked about in those scenarios aren't good enough to be on the court for that length of time but on paper their stats project out well.

There's already a track-record of how Gay's Grizzlies performed (and now how Gay's Raptors are performing). Gay is simply a PPG whore.

Not just talking about Gay. There is a lot of what if posting and projecting out stats of guys that aren't good enough to get the minutes on the floor that their stats are being projected out to. I am agreeing with you on your what if stance but I am asking you to apply it to some of the other things you post.

per 36 is subjective....otherwise Earl Barron would be a GOAT center.

Common sense eclipses projections, got to know when they apply.

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

We didn't offer him a contract.

Yeah, he could have helped us more than Pablo.
We also should have had team options on years 2 and 3 of the contract we offered him anyway.

Not really sure why Pablo had to have part of the mle, but then again MWP wanted to be a Knick his whole life and got the other part.

I dont think the team can offer a three year deal in this cba to undrafted guys, but that second year should have been automatic.

I don't know. Somehow Patrick Beverly had a team option on the 2nd and 3rd years. Maybe it's because Houston was under the cap?

Bonn, what do your stats tell us we need to do to fix this mess?!

Hire a good metrics analyst and give him the power to make all final decisions.

That's working out well for Memphis..Didn't they hire the god of metrics??

they traded their leading scorer and still went to the wcf....seems like metrics paid well.

With Gay they might of been in the Finals...Went to the ECF and lose 4-0 isn't anything to be proud of...

Basketball doesnt work in "what if's and might have beens", you are what you did....Grizz lost nothing when they traded Rudy.

Since when is making the Conference finals nothing to be proud of? Thats the furthest that team has been.

You don't know that...They could have turned it on much like Indy did..All they accomplished was wining in the second round...4-0 in the ECF and u don't think Gay could have made a difference...Making it to the Finals would have been huge for that franchise...

What I know is they reached a further point in the history of their franchise WITHOUT Rudy.

Everything else is speculation.

After getting to the ECF and losing 4-0 to the Spurs, in hindsight, would u rather have done it with Gay or without Gay???

I get the feeling from watching Shump play at times this season that he's frustrated by all the drama, and that he already has one foot out the door, even if he doesn't have a say. Probably not the only one.

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:THJ is making it easier for Shump to be traded. He has an easier time generating offense but his shot selection borders on insane sometimes. Shump is a better athlete and defender but his learning curb is steeper, even after a few years in the league. I think you put Shump with the right franchise, the right coach, and he could be an all star. Not every year, but I believe he has the talent to make a few.

I get the feeling from watching Shump play at times this season that he's frustrated by all the drama, and that he already has one foot out the door, even if he doesn't have a say. Probably not the only one.

I'm not sure if Shump is the better athlete...Tim jr took two steps from the top of the key and was at the rim a couple of games ago...He is faster than Shump and a better shooter...I like Shump tho...He didn't work on his game in the off season...Players get better in the off season..Shump came to camp out of shape..He still have no mid-range game, has difficulty finishing at the rim, he gambles too much on defense...Right now, Shump is more hype and hope than substance...So now we wait until the off season again to see if he will try to get better...

I disagree about his shooting, until recently Shump was draining jumpers, threes, even off the dribble. I believe Shump is better at closing in on a player from a standstill, better at chasing down players. Shump has a longer stride and can cover ground faster. I don't recall anyone saying Shump was out of shape. Thats never been an issue with him, unless he's coming off an injury. One thing that worries me is Shump doesn't seem as quick laterally, doesn't take as many charges either. North/South he can still cover ground.

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

We didn't offer him a contract.

Yeah, he could have helped us more than Pablo.
We also should have had team options on years 2 and 3 of the contract we offered him anyway.

Not really sure why Pablo had to have part of the mle, but then again MWP wanted to be a Knick his whole life and got the other part.

I dont think the team can offer a three year deal in this cba to undrafted guys, but that second year should have been automatic.

I don't know. Somehow Patrick Beverly had a team option on the 2nd and 3rd years. Maybe it's because Houston was under the cap?

Bonn, what do your stats tell us we need to do to fix this mess?!

Hire a good metrics analyst and give him the power to make all final decisions.

That's working out well for Memphis..Didn't they hire the god of metrics??

they traded their leading scorer and still went to the wcf....seems like metrics paid well.

With Gay they might of been in the Finals...Went to the ECF and lose 4-0 isn't anything to be proud of...

Basketball doesnt work in "what if's and might have beens", you are what you did....Grizz lost nothing when they traded Rudy.

Since when is making the Conference finals nothing to be proud of? Thats the furthest that team has been.

You don't know that...They could have turned it on much like Indy did..All they accomplished was wining in the second round...4-0 in the ECF and u don't think Gay could have made a difference...Making it to the Finals would have been huge for that franchise...

What I know is they reached a further point in the history of their franchise WITHOUT Rudy.

Everything else is speculation.

After getting to the ECF and losing 4-0 to the Spurs, in hindsight, would u rather have done it with Gay or without Gay???

But if I'm the owner I thank hollinger with a raise, same expected place which happened to be a franchise accomplishement and saved me a few bucks.