arkrud wrote:Rebuild. There is no other way any more for me.
If they will resign Melo for max this team for me is over.
So for me rebuild is the only option to continue following them.
But I would not bet on it - like 5% possibility.

Would you be opposed to Melo getting the max if it was frontloaded, so that he'll make the lowest amount at the end of his contract?

As for what we should do, I'm definitely on the fence. I don't think Melo is the issue with our team but I'm also hesitant to extend him given the beating he has taken over the course of his career. I know most disagree but I think he'll start to break down in the next 2 seasons ala Allan Houston, which is unnerving at his price tag. Even if we do manage to build a more competitive and complimentary roster, it would be for naught if he can't even get on the court.

Another compelling issue is the fact that he can leave at seasons end for greener pastures. This roster we've assembled around him sucks and I think that he could be tempted to leave and join LeBron, wherever that is.

This is a nice fantasy right? I need a shot.

People who come to the garden pay good money too.

Now whether it's a soap opera full of old players trying to play a young mans game, or sexual or drug deviants taking the court James Dolan provides drama.

This is the type of entertainment he provides, so when you ask rebuild , re-tool or stay the same.

People are crazy enough to shell out that kind of money for a bad put together Broadway show.

Woody Allen is still there right ?

JohnStarksFan wrote:You STAY THE COURSE. You stay the course through this year, regardless of the outcome. You let Melo test free agency and don't bust your nut on him right away. You make a real plan for the future (without draft picks mind you). You use that plan to try to keep Melo here, but you don't do more than that. If he's going to test the waters, you can't stop it, let him do it. Who knows, maybe he'll decide to keep the extension. Let's say he does (I realize this probably won't happen). You'll be starting next season with your 4 highest salaries (Melo, STAT, Chandler, Bargs) for a total of 73.5 Mill. Yup 73.5 Mill for 4 guys. All off the books. If you're smart, you parlay 1 or 2 of those contracts into draft picks and exciting young players (true talent or seat fillers really), make a trade with one of your other guys who over produced for draft picks or more young talent, and start out the 2015-2016 season with somewhere near 45 million in cap space (without Melo). And you start over if need be. If you keep Melo, you need to keep the total payroll over the cap so when you resign him you use bird's rights, and get shot in the face with luxury tax. But you take the hit if this is one of your guys and he's committed.

This is a nice fantasy right? I need a shot.

If you stay the course, you're looking at a middling team at best and risk the possibility of losing/wearing out your best player like we did with Allan Houston and Patrick Ewing. If this becomes a reality, we'd effectively be rehashing the past decade of ineptitude when we had no picks, nothing but washed up players signed to cap-killing deals and a lottery team. I'd rather rebuild from a position of strength, than wait and have our hands forced to do so.

arkrud wrote:Rebuild. There is no other way any more for me.
If they will resign Melo for max this team for me is over.
So for me rebuild is the only option to continue following them.
But I would not bet on it - like 5% possibility.

If the Knicks don't rebuild will you quit this board as well?

For me it's too early in the season to make the decision that would involve trading all assets and tanking. If by mid season, the team is out of a playoff spot.....then yes, trade Melo if you find a taker who will give highish picks and an expiring salary dump. Trade Tyson for lesser first rounder(s) or a PG /younger big man. Trade JR if you can. Trade Shump in a package for a PG upgrade.

Problem is, a rebuild will likely never happen.

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

arkrud wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

arkrud wrote:Rebuild. There is no other way any more for me.
If they will resign Melo for max this team for me is over.
So for me rebuild is the only option to continue following them.
But I would not bet on it - like 5% possibility.

Would you be opposed to Melo getting the max if it was frontloaded, so that he'll make the lowest amount at the end of his contract?

As for what we should do, I'm definitely on the fence. I don't think Melo is the issue with our team but I'm also hesitant to extend him given the beating he has taken over the course of his career. I know most disagree but I think he'll start to break down in the next 2 seasons ala Allan Houston, which is unnerving at his price tag. Even if we do manage to build a more competitive and complimentary roster, it would be for naught if he can't even get on the court.

Another compelling issue is the fact that he can leave at seasons end for greener pastures. This roster we've assembled around him sucks and I think that he could be tempted to leave and join LeBron, wherever that is.

Melo can save this team... by leaving somewhere...
He is not the problem but he is not a solution.
He is just another way to hide the fundamental issues with how this organization run.
Isaih helps us last time to start looking in the mirror now it is Melos turn.

Nothing good would come from simply letting Melo walk.

That would leave room for a real max contract player.
That said, I wanted to trade him when he was winning player of the month awards but I'd still rather see him walk than sign a max contract.

I've never been a fan of relying on cap space to obtain a star. The Dallas Mavericks are my cautionary tale for this strategy and it should be for the league. That being said, we need to make sure Carmelo is under contract because at the very least, he guarantees we can get something of value in return for him. After all, the Nets were prepared to surrender a package that effectively gave the Utah Jazz a new franchise, for Melo.

Rebuild or retool means nothing.

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

arkrud wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

arkrud wrote:Rebuild. There is no other way any more for me.
If they will resign Melo for max this team for me is over.
So for me rebuild is the only option to continue following them.
But I would not bet on it - like 5% possibility.

Would you be opposed to Melo getting the max if it was frontloaded, so that he'll make the lowest amount at the end of his contract?

As for what we should do, I'm definitely on the fence. I don't think Melo is the issue with our team but I'm also hesitant to extend him given the beating he has taken over the course of his career. I know most disagree but I think he'll start to break down in the next 2 seasons ala Allan Houston, which is unnerving at his price tag. Even if we do manage to build a more competitive and complimentary roster, it would be for naught if he can't even get on the court.

Another compelling issue is the fact that he can leave at seasons end for greener pastures. This roster we've assembled around him sucks and I think that he could be tempted to leave and join LeBron, wherever that is.

Melo can save this team... by leaving somewhere...
He is not the problem but he is not a solution.
He is just another way to hide the fundamental issues with how this organization run.
Isaih helps us last time to start looking in the mirror now it is Melos turn.

Nothing good would come from simply letting Melo walk.

That would leave room for a real max contract player.
That said, I wanted to trade him when he was winning player of the month awards but I'd still rather see him walk than sign a max contract.

I've never been a fan of relying on cap space to obtain a star. The Dallas Mavericks are my cautionary tale for this strategy and it should be for the league. That being said, we need to make sure Carmelo is under contract because at the very least, he guarantees we can get something of value in return for him. After all, the Nets were prepared to surrender a package that effectively gave the Utah Jazz a new franchise, for Melo.

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

arkrud wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

arkrud wrote:Rebuild. There is no other way any more for me.
If they will resign Melo for max this team for me is over.
So for me rebuild is the only option to continue following them.
But I would not bet on it - like 5% possibility.

Would you be opposed to Melo getting the max if it was frontloaded, so that he'll make the lowest amount at the end of his contract?

As for what we should do, I'm definitely on the fence. I don't think Melo is the issue with our team but I'm also hesitant to extend him given the beating he has taken over the course of his career. I know most disagree but I think he'll start to break down in the next 2 seasons ala Allan Houston, which is unnerving at his price tag. Even if we do manage to build a more competitive and complimentary roster, it would be for naught if he can't even get on the court.

Another compelling issue is the fact that he can leave at seasons end for greener pastures. This roster we've assembled around him sucks and I think that he could be tempted to leave and join LeBron, wherever that is.

Melo can save this team... by leaving somewhere...
He is not the problem but he is not a solution.
He is just another way to hide the fundamental issues with how this organization run.
Isaih helps us last time to start looking in the mirror now it is Melos turn.

Nothing good would come from simply letting Melo walk.

That would leave room for a real max contract player.
That said, I wanted to trade him when he was winning player of the month awards but I'd still rather see him walk than sign a max contract.

I've never been a fan of relying on cap space to obtain a star. The Dallas Mavericks are my cautionary tale for this strategy and it should be for the league. That being said, we need to make sure Carmelo is under contract because at the very least, he guarantees we can get something of value in return for him. After all, the Nets were prepared to surrender a package that effectively gave the Utah Jazz a new franchise, for Melo.

You can get something in value in return for the cap space too. If you don't land the max contract player you want, there's nothing wrong in having two $10 mil per players at the Millsap/Ibaka level.

The Jazz had that (with Jefferson and Millsap) and rightly opted to let them go. The best that those teams can do is make the playoffs as a 1st round out. What's the point in that? Besides, Melo could easily give you that in a trade and then some. I'm not sure why this is even a debate.