So if Carmelo scores 45 and Bargs 25 combining to shoot for nearly 60%--how can we lose? Well our best defensive player last night was Bargs Yes Bargs. Ray Felton is having all sorts of troubles keeping his man in front of him. Shumpert has regressed as the season has gone on Metta World Peace was getting beat by Jeremy Lin. The only other guy who I thought played well wa THJ--his last two games--he has proven to need more time WITH the caveat--keep it in check--dont go wild

I dont not believe that Tyson Bargs CA is the answer--in fact the sample we saw was that it was not. Bargs ONLY started playing better once moved to C--with Chandler I believe it will disrupt the line up.

Can we move Shumpert for an aggressive 4 man like faried??? That would go a long way to helping this team. IF we can get a faried--perhaps we can turn Chandler into a Rondo when both are healthy? JR Smith is rusty--he needs more evaluation time

Caseloads wrote:why would boston want chandler other than a salary dump?

Agree it would have to be a threeway.

Knixkik wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:I think you move Bargs for Asik and Lin. This is the perfect move right now and helps both teams. Houston has a lot of PGs and they need a stretch 4. No brainer for them. Asik, Melo, JR, Shump, Lin lineup would be awesome.

I think at this point we actually need Bargnani. Can't just make a move for the sake of Chandler being out. In 4 weeks we will be back to the same position where we have an awkward rotation to work through. I think the major move that needs to be made is getting a new PG, our starting one is really bad. Can't have someone that poor on defense and that poor of a shooter starting at PG, in addition to not being able to run an offense. Felton would make a nice 6th man, but he's not a starting PG on a great team.

The lack of PG play is glaring, especially on the defensive end. We need to stop the bleeding, with our PG usually chasing behind the opposing PG, instead of being in front of him. Two solutions; slide Shump to the PG spot. This will improve our on-ball defense, and many times, Melo is bringing the ball up court. Another idea is to try Murry out, or at least increase his minutes. Let's get a look at him moving the ball and playing defense. Ray can be effective getting production with the second unit. The defensive requirements of a first unit PG are overwhelming him.

MSG3 wrote:Bargnani is playing very well. Because of this we will stay afloat until Tyson gets back. If he continues playing well then he increases his value as a trade piece. We shall see. Last nights loss is the kind of loss a good team can have at any point. It just feels a lot worse because of how we've started the season overall.

Our glaring issue is at PG...again. Felton just isn't right. Praying that somehow a guy like Rondo or Dragic falls into our lap.

We need a young PF and a unpgrade at PG. If Bargs continues like this--Id rather trade Chandler and Shumpert to get what I need. Kenyon can help but he isnt the answer for 30 minutes. Knicks should just buyout Amare and save 4-5mm$

BRIGGS wrote:

MSG3 wrote:Bargnani is playing very well. Because of this we will stay afloat until Tyson gets back. If he continues playing well then he increases his value as a trade piece. We shall see. Last nights loss is the kind of loss a good team can have at any point. It just feels a lot worse because of how we've started the season overall.

Our glaring issue is at PG...again. Felton just isn't right. Praying that somehow a guy like Rondo or Dragic falls into our lap.

We need a young PF and a unpgrade at PG. If Bargs continues like this--Id rather trade Chandler and Shumpert to get what I need. Kenyon can help but he isnt the answer for 30 minutes. Knicks should just buyout Amare and save 4-5mm$

I think Toronto concluded Bargnani was played out of position at center. I still think he and Melo can play together at the forward spots because of their offensive games. If the knicks are content with JR Smith at SG i think you have to look to trade Shumpert for a PG, lets say somehow for Rondo or Dragic.

Chandler, Bargnani, Melo, Smith, and a new PG with Hardaway being groomed as 6th man is the right direction.

Andrew wrote:Why would Amare take anything less than the full amount paid to him?

He would never do it because unlike a malcontent that is being paid to leave and play else, Amare knows that there is a great chance he will never be paid to play again.

MSG3 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

MSG3 wrote:Bargnani is playing very well. Because of this we will stay afloat until Tyson gets back. If he continues playing well then he increases his value as a trade piece. We shall see. Last nights loss is the kind of loss a good team can have at any point. It just feels a lot worse because of how we've started the season overall.

Our glaring issue is at PG...again. Felton just isn't right. Praying that somehow a guy like Rondo or Dragic falls into our lap.

We need a young PF and a unpgrade at PG. If Bargs continues like this--Id rather trade Chandler and Shumpert to get what I need. Kenyon can help but he isnt the answer for 30 minutes. Knicks should just buyout Amare and save 4-5mm$

I think Toronto concluded Bargnani was played out of position at center. I still think he and Melo can play together at the forward spots because of their offensive games. If the knicks are content with JR Smith at SG i think you have to look to trade Shumpert for a PG, lets say somehow for Rondo or Dragic.

Chandler, Bargnani, Melo, Smith, and a new PG with Hardaway being groomed as 6th man is the right direction.

Bargnani and Tyson doesn't work well. The reason Melo and Bargs are both playing better now is because the spacing has been much better. If we can put the defense together and get some solid PG play we actually have a chance to be very good with Bargnani subbing in for Tyson. And it will help limit Tyson's minutes.

Tyson 29 mpg, Bargnani 19 mpg backup C and 6 mpg backup PF with Tyson on the court.
If Bargnani is C and Melo PF, we need someone 1 to 3 who can rebound very well.

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

MSG3 wrote:Bargnani is playing very well. Because of this we will stay afloat until Tyson gets back. If he continues playing well then he increases his value as a trade piece. We shall see. Last nights loss is the kind of loss a good team can have at any point. It just feels a lot worse because of how we've started the season overall.

Our glaring issue is at PG...again. Felton just isn't right. Praying that somehow a guy like Rondo or Dragic falls into our lap.

We need a young PF and a unpgrade at PG. If Bargs continues like this--Id rather trade Chandler and Shumpert to get what I need. Kenyon can help but he isnt the answer for 30 minutes. Knicks should just buyout Amare and save 4-5mm$

I think Toronto concluded Bargnani was played out of position at center. I still think he and Melo can play together at the forward spots because of their offensive games. If the knicks are content with JR Smith at SG i think you have to look to trade Shumpert for a PG, lets say somehow for Rondo or Dragic.

Chandler, Bargnani, Melo, Smith, and a new PG with Hardaway being groomed as 6th man is the right direction.

Bargnani and Tyson doesn't work well. The reason Melo and Bargs are both playing better now is because the spacing has been much better. If we can put the defense together and get some solid PG play we actually have a chance to be very good with Bargnani subbing in for Tyson. And it will help limit Tyson's minutes.

Tyson 29 mpg, Bargnani 19 mpg backup C and 6 mpg backup PF with Tyson on the court.
If Bargnani is C and Melo PF, we need someone 1 to 3 who can rebound very well.

Agreed, but those 2 have been rebounding pretty well I believe since Tyson has been out.

If we're playing for this season and next season I think I'm coming around on the idea of shopping Shumpert for a PG.

Also, why the hell do we have 4 PGs if we can't rest Felton when he's clearly injured?

Because we don't have 4 point guards, either that or the terrible Felton is obviously better than the other three.

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

MSG3 wrote:Bargnani is playing very well. Because of this we will stay afloat until Tyson gets back. If he continues playing well then he increases his value as a trade piece. We shall see. Last nights loss is the kind of loss a good team can have at any point. It just feels a lot worse because of how we've started the season overall.

Our glaring issue is at PG...again. Felton just isn't right. Praying that somehow a guy like Rondo or Dragic falls into our lap.

We need a young PF and a unpgrade at PG. If Bargs continues like this--Id rather trade Chandler and Shumpert to get what I need. Kenyon can help but he isnt the answer for 30 minutes. Knicks should just buyout Amare and save 4-5mm$

I think Toronto concluded Bargnani was played out of position at center. I still think he and Melo can play together at the forward spots because of their offensive games. If the knicks are content with JR Smith at SG i think you have to look to trade Shumpert for a PG, lets say somehow for Rondo or Dragic.

Chandler, Bargnani, Melo, Smith, and a new PG with Hardaway being groomed as 6th man is the right direction.

Bargnani and Tyson doesn't work well. The reason Melo and Bargs are both playing better now is because the spacing has been much better. If we can put the defense together and get some solid PG play we actually have a chance to be very good with Bargnani subbing in for Tyson. And it will help limit Tyson's minutes.

Tyson 29 mpg, Bargnani 19 mpg backup C and 6 mpg backup PF with Tyson on the court.
If Bargnani is C and Melo PF, we need someone 1 to 3 who can rebound very well.

You want a player who can avg 22-23 points 6-7 rebounds and blocks 1.5 shots 50% to play 19 minutes? We need his points who else is going to give them? We need JR to get back to his form quickly. My take is an upgrade at PG and a quick 4-5 combo would be bette4r suited for this team than Chandler or Felton starting.