callmened wrote:Lance is averaging 14-6-6

He's a big boy though and does everything Shumpert can, while also running the point. The scary thing is that Stephenson has room to get better while I think Shumpert has peaked.

NardDogNation wrote:

callmened wrote:Lance is averaging 14-6-6

He's a big boy though and does everything Shumpert can, while also running the point. The scary thing is that Stephenson has room to get better while I think Shumpert has peaked.

Peaked at 23?

Vmart wrote:This is not a fair question. One plays for a team that doesn't care if talent is maximized and look at drafted players a mere trade fodder. The other plays for a team that prizes draft picks and develops them to their potential.

Fair pt...indy develops talent

NardDogNation wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

callmened wrote:Lance is averaging 14-6-6

He's a big boy though and does everything Shumpert can, while also running the point. The scary thing is that Stephenson has room to get better while I think Shumpert has peaked.

Peaked at 23?

Most guys aren't destined to be stars. Yeah, Shumpert will add things to his game but that's the case for most players that stick around in the league, most of whom are middling players that don't get appreciably better from what they came in as (see Shane Battier). I still think his career trajectory is Toney Allen with a jump shot, which is pretty good but not much better than what he's been.

I agree

sealy wrote:

callmened wrote:Lance is averaging 14-6-6

Love Shump, but simply put I think the Knicks would be a better team with Lance because of how he facilitates, bounds and drives the ball.

Shump has the upside, but right now I think LS has the edge for sure. Maybe if Shump stopped getting beat back door, it'd be closer.

That's assuming the Knicks don't go out of their way to mess with Lance's head. Threaten to start an immature eractic knucklehead over him and include him in trade talks etc. does lance even get playing time having been selected late in the 2nd rd? Or does he go to the dleague?

gunsnewing wrote:

sealy wrote:

callmened wrote:Lance is averaging 14-6-6

Love Shump, but simply put I think the Knicks would be a better team with Lance because of how he facilitates, bounds and drives the ball.

Shump has the upside, but right now I think LS has the edge for sure. Maybe if Shump stopped getting beat back door, it'd be closer.

That's assuming the Knicks don't go out of their way to mess with Lance's head. Threaten to start an immature eractic knucklehead over him and include him in trade talks etc. does lance even get playing time having been selected late in the 2nd rd? Or does he go to the dleague?

haha it's funny bc it's true. JR Smith has quickly become my lest favorite Knick.

gunsnewing wrote:It's well documented that Indiana does a better job of developing talent. Fields(not a fan) Lin fell in their lap. If anything it was Dantoni(not a fan) who got the most out of those two

I'd even argue that Shumpert was better under Dantoni as a rookie

Look at what Indy did with Paul George

It's an "egg before the chicken" argument. You could just as easily say that Paul George, Danny Granger, and Roy Hibbert were destined to be the stars they became. Whatever the case, better players have consistently been missed by the Knicks in the draft, which leads me to believe it is a drafting problem. We may have a problem developing our draft picks but on the other hand, their play has not changed since they were traded to new teams that also featured them e.g. Gallo, Wilson Chandler, Fields, Jordan Hill, Toney Douglas, etc.