[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Wojo: Knicks 2015 plan is Carmelo/Kevin Love
Author Thread
nyk4ever
Posts: 41010
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 1/12/2005
Member: #848
USA
11/12/2013  1:39 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--knicks--dysfunction-turns-to-fantasy--n-y--already-dreaming-of-kevin-love-in-2015-070030695.html

Through the decay and debris of a crumbling infrastructure, chasing the championship parade that never marches, the New York Knicks' recruitment to retain Carmelo Anthony comes with the promise to pursue Kevin Love into the franchise's 2015 salary-cap space.

LeBron James comes free too soon (2014), Kevin Durant too late (2016), and the best, biggest star available to New York has been validating management's wanderlust with an MVP-esque start to the Minnesota Timberwolves' season.

In a lot of ways, the Knicks are pursuing the illusion of a title with Anthony as their centerpiece. Nevertheless, they're unwavering in turning the franchise over to him. The plan had been a three-year window to chase a championship, but it turned into one season – if it was ever that a year ago. New York is pushing toward a fresh scapegoat, coach Mike Woodson, but the Knicks are a combustible blend whose struggles have far less to do with their coaching and far more to do with lousy ownership.

New York is back where it started with 'Melo in 2011, framing a future for him that looks so much better than the present. To re-sign Anthony upon his contract opt-out in July, the Knicks count upon the fact that they can still give him three things no one else can: a five-year, nearly $130 million extension; the bright lights of the Madison Square Garden marquee; and an expedited retooling plan.

Almost assuredly, Love will exercise his early termination option in two years and take a strong look at where the free-agent landscape stands with the T'wolves. He could re-sign a longer, richer deal with Minnesota, or chase big-market platforms in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and perhaps elsewhere.

The Knicks are buried in salary-cap hell through 2014, awaiting Amar'e Stoudemire ($23.4 million), Tyson Chandler ($14.3 million) and Andrea Bargnani ($12 million) to expire. The Knicks are sold on Love in 2015, sources tell Yahoo Sports, and they've already begun devising a strategy to lure him when the time comes.

Carmelo Anthony can become a free agent after this season.
The possibility of leaving the Knicks for the Los Angeles Lakers will be Melo's leverage until it no longer is, but as one source with knowledge of the process says: "Do you think 'Melo wants to be known for not winning titles in New York and L.A.?"
There are beloved ex-Knicks who never win titles – Patrick Ewing, John Starks, Larry Johnson – but those players don't exist in Lakers lore. If winning is an obsession to Anthony, let's be honest: He would've stayed in better shape, been a better leader and teammate in his career. Anthony would've used his organizational muscle to spare the franchise's wasting of a roster spot for J.R. Smith's younger brother as part of a sweetener to re-sign the NBA's Sixth Man of the Year.

Everyone wants to blame Creative Arts Agency for the packaging of the players, but Chris Smith, associated with a different agency two years ago, had been granted a guaranteed contract with the Knicks for the 2011-12 season. Only, Smith blew out his knee and received his $490,000 on the injured list. This was a stooge deal on New York's behalf, an embarrassment afforded a player, J.R. Smith, who doesn't deserve this kind of treatment.

"Glen Grunwald never wanted to do it, never felt right about it back then," one source with knowledge of the package deal said. "That call came from above him."

Within the Knicks coaching staff, they believe Chris Smith doesn't even have the talent to be an NBA Development League player – never mind worthy of a roster spot. One opposing GM called him "maybe the worst player in the history of the [NBA] summer league."

Perhaps that's harsh, but the Knicks need to sign a big man in the wake of Tyson Chandler's fractured leg, and Chris Smith's roster spot creates an obstacle.

In the end, the Knicks give Anthony everything he wants, including the recent hiring of his personal trainer, Idan Ravin. There is a complete disconnect between Ravin and the Knicks' coaching staff, who have little use for him, sources said.

Kevin Love ranks among the NBA leaders in scoring this season. (AP)
Still, the Knicks coaches understand: From a wasted roster spot to a highly paid personal trainer who can act independently of the coaching staff's wishes, ownership makes it hard for good players to want to leave. And truth be told, ownership makes it hard to coach good players in New York. Take a look at model franchises in San Antonio, Miami and Indiana, and you'll see: This all makes winning harder, not easier.
Now, owner James Dolan has turned over the Knicks to Steve Mills as president and general manager. Only in the Knicks' parallel universe can an executive help run the franchise into the ground for a decade with Isiah Thomas, get fired, move into the financial sector, chase the National Basketball Players Association's top job and then, somehow, get his old job back – this time with more power.

The Knicks can afford to pursue the best basketball minds on the planet, and yet they recycle top executives with failed, unaccomplished or untested histories. Donnie Walsh and Grunwald had been exceptions, and yet ultimately they were run out of the GM job. This is why the Knicks are unable to build something sustainable, why they're forever chasing salary-cap space, chasing stars, chasing the illusion of contention.

Kevin Love is on deck to be recruited to New York in 2015, and that's among the reasons the Timberwolves are so determined to make deals to climb deep into the playoffs these next two years. Young Minnesota players Derrick Williams and Alexey Shved are available in deals for veterans to help these T'wolves now, league executives told Yahoo Sports.


The suitors promise to be plentiful for Love in two years, which is why the Knicks are already brainstorming his pursuit, sources said.

Between now and July free agency, the Love pursuit will be part of New York's hard sell to Anthony. The Knicks are a mess now, but the mirage never changes: always a salvation on the way at the Garden, always a championship parade headed down the Canyon of Heroes. With the Knicks able to pay $30 million more than everyone else on the market, with the Knicks affording him and his inner circle a full run of the Garden, make no mistake: Carmelo Anthony will want badly to believe them. Again.

"OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
AUTOADVERT
Knixkik
Posts: 35476
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #11
USA
11/12/2013  1:49 PM
I don't think we will wait until 2015. I think we will use the expiring contracts and young talent (Shumpert most likely) to grab the first available star who's team has interest in our package. We just need to find one star, while keeping our other main pieces such as Chandler and possibly Smith intact. Even if Melo takes a discount and we get Love, we won't have much money left to put a supporting cast around them. I think a big trade will come sometime between this trade deadline and next year's trade deadline.
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
11/12/2013  2:03 PM
I'd be down with that only if those guys were are #2 and 3, not 1 and 2.
gunsnewing
Posts: 55076
Alba Posts: 5
Joined: 2/24/2002
Member: #215
USA
11/12/2013  2:07 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:I'd be down with that only if those guys were are #2 and 3, not 1 and 2.

Really? Who is #1 Lebron and Durant? lol

tkf
Posts: 36487
Alba Posts: 6
Joined: 8/13/2001
Member: #87
11/12/2013  2:12 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:I'd be down with that only if those guys were are #2 and 3, not 1 and 2.

WITH Their salaries, we won't be able to afford a # 2 or #3 at Mcdonalds.....
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
IronWillGiroud
Posts: 25207
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/17/2012
Member: #4359

11/12/2013  2:12 PM
not only is Love NOT what we need to put next to Melo,

Love would NEVER come to New York to begin with and he's far less likely to come here to play with Melo.

Of course, I could be wrong and Kevin Love could be a total moron.

The Will, check out the Official Home of Will's GameDay Art: http://tinyurl.com/thewillgameday
Clean
Posts: 30332
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 8/22/2004
Member: #743
11/12/2013  2:13 PM
Don't fall for Dolans crap. He likes to talk about future players he would like to sign to distract you from how crappy the Knicks are playing.
IronWillGiroud
Posts: 25207
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/17/2012
Member: #4359

11/12/2013  2:14 PM
tkf wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:I'd be down with that only if those guys were are #2 and 3, not 1 and 2.

WITH Their salaries, we won't be able to afford a # 2 or #3 at Mcdonalds.....

hahahah

The Will, check out the Official Home of Will's GameDay Art: http://tinyurl.com/thewillgameday
tkf
Posts: 36487
Alba Posts: 6
Joined: 8/13/2001
Member: #87
11/12/2013  2:16 PM
I was on some bball site, and the fans there were yappin about kevin love going to the lakers.. he is a california dude, played at UCLA, lakers will have a lot more cap room than the knicks... there are several destinations for him to realistically go to..
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
IronWillGiroud
Posts: 25207
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/17/2012
Member: #4359

11/12/2013  2:18 PM
tkf wrote:I was on some bball site, and the fans there were yappin about kevin love going to the lakers.. he is a california dude, played at UCLA, lakers will have a lot more cap room than the knicks... there are several destinations for him to realistically go to..

hell yea,

I can see that way more than I can see him signing his life away in New York

guys don't get it: New York Knicks as it is today is a place that guys come to DIE or END their careers, it's not a place where you want to come for your prime (unless you're Melo, which is a guy that belongs in a category of his own)

The Will, check out the Official Home of Will's GameDay Art: http://tinyurl.com/thewillgameday
tkf
Posts: 36487
Alba Posts: 6
Joined: 8/13/2001
Member: #87
11/12/2013  2:19 PM
IronWillGiroud wrote:not only is Love NOT what we need to put next to Melo,

Love would NEVER come to New York to begin with and he's far less likely to come here to play with Melo.

Of course, I could be wrong and Kevin Love could be a total moron.

if love comes here, it won't be to play with carmelo.. but honestly, I don't see love coming here at all, I think he will go west... he possibly could be traded before then.. On the nuggets board, they were throwing around faried, and picks in a deal for love.... just fan talk tho..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
tkf
Posts: 36487
Alba Posts: 6
Joined: 8/13/2001
Member: #87
11/12/2013  2:21 PM
IronWillGiroud wrote:
tkf wrote:I was on some bball site, and the fans there were yappin about kevin love going to the lakers.. he is a california dude, played at UCLA, lakers will have a lot more cap room than the knicks... there are several destinations for him to realistically go to..

hell yea,

I can see that way more than I can see him signing his life away in New York

guys don't get it: New York Knicks as it is today is a place that guys come to DIE or END their careers, it's not a place where you want to come for your prime (unless you're Melo, which is a guy that belongs in a category of his own)

the knicks just haven't been stable.. Love seems like a smart dude... who knows what runs through these guys minds, but I just don't see how we would be attractive to him at this point.. just being realistic..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
MS
Posts: 27060
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/28/2004
Member: #724
11/12/2013  2:25 PM
No one is coming here. Why would anyone want to play with Melo two years older. It's madness to sign the guy long term to 26MM a year.

Making consession to medicore players like Marbury, Curry, Smith is par for the course. Nothing will ever change. Championships will never be won.

Knixkik
Posts: 35476
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #11
USA
11/12/2013  2:28 PM
tkf wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:
tkf wrote:I was on some bball site, and the fans there were yappin about kevin love going to the lakers.. he is a california dude, played at UCLA, lakers will have a lot more cap room than the knicks... there are several destinations for him to realistically go to..

hell yea,

I can see that way more than I can see him signing his life away in New York

guys don't get it: New York Knicks as it is today is a place that guys come to DIE or END their careers, it's not a place where you want to come for your prime (unless you're Melo, which is a guy that belongs in a category of his own)

the knicks just haven't been stable.. Love seems like a smart dude... who knows what runs through these guys minds, but I just don't see how we would be attractive to him at this point.. just being realistic..

The opportunity to help lead the Knicks to success is an attractive thing for guys who want to be remembered. But actually doing it is another thing. It's a bigger risk playing in NY than anywhere else, but has bigger reward too. As long as the Knicks have max cap space, i think he would consider it, but i agree that LA will likely be the favorite to land him if they don't spend all their money next summer and if Kobe makes it known he will accept a lesser role or isn't there at all. With the Dwight and Shaq issues over the years, not sure if playing with Kobe would interest Love.

knicks1248
Posts: 42059
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 2/3/2004
Member: #582
11/12/2013  2:32 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:I'd be down with that only if those guys were are #2 and 3, not 1 and 2.

Really? Who is #1 Lebron and Durant? lol

Exactly

I have been wanting Shved and Love since the beginning of last season

ES
Dagger
Posts: 22065
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 4/12/2012
Member: #4184

11/12/2013  2:32 PM
IronWillGiroud wrote:not only is Love NOT what we need to put next to Melo,

Love would NEVER come to New York to begin with and he's far less likely to come here to play with Melo.

Of course, I could be wrong and Kevin Love could be a total moron.


tkf
Posts: 36487
Alba Posts: 6
Joined: 8/13/2001
Member: #87
11/12/2013  2:33 PM
Knixkik wrote:
tkf wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:
tkf wrote:I was on some bball site, and the fans there were yappin about kevin love going to the lakers.. he is a california dude, played at UCLA, lakers will have a lot more cap room than the knicks... there are several destinations for him to realistically go to..

hell yea,

I can see that way more than I can see him signing his life away in New York

guys don't get it: New York Knicks as it is today is a place that guys come to DIE or END their careers, it's not a place where you want to come for your prime (unless you're Melo, which is a guy that belongs in a category of his own)

the knicks just haven't been stable.. Love seems like a smart dude... who knows what runs through these guys minds, but I just don't see how we would be attractive to him at this point.. just being realistic..

The opportunity to help lead the Knicks to success is an attractive thing for guys who want to be remembered. But actually doing it is another thing. It's a bigger risk playing in NY than anywhere else, but has bigger reward too. As long as the Knicks have max cap space, i think he would consider it, but i agree that LA will likely be the favorite to land him if they don't spend all their money next summer and if Kobe makes it known he will accept a lesser role or isn't there at all. With the Dwight and Shaq issues over the years, not sure if playing with Kobe would interest Love.

yea, other than saying you played with kobe, not sure why love would want to play with him now, especially at this point in kobe's career.. dude is not the easiest guy to play with it seems...

Kevin love is a good player, no doubt, but I am not going to go gaga over him, would love for the knicks to actually let guys like shumpert, THJ , heck even cole aldridge and murry get a lot of playing time... I would be angling to raise value, try to move in to trade for a pick and get in the first round draft somehow..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
gunsnewing
Posts: 55076
Alba Posts: 5
Joined: 2/24/2002
Member: #215
USA
11/12/2013  2:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/12/2013  2:37 PM
Yea I just can't see love coming to New York. Maybe rondo or Aldridge but I'm not thrilled about getting those guys.

I would love to get Lebron or love but it's not happening

Kyrie would be perfect being from NJ and all but he is not a free agent then

knicks1248
Posts: 42059
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 2/3/2004
Member: #582
11/12/2013  2:39 PM
IronWillGiroud wrote:not only is Love NOT what we need to put next to Melo,

Love would NEVER come to New York to begin with and he's far less likely to come here to play with Melo.

Of course, I could be wrong and Kevin Love could be a total moron.

How do yo know love wouldn't want to play next to melo? and why wouldn't it work

Rondo and Love is exactly what we need, either or would be nice, both would be JACK POT.

I don't think this roster is a mess, i think when you play 10 to 12 guys you have a tougher time to build chemistry both in your starting line up, and your bench.

Add to the fact you don't have any proven leaders, and no one is even playing at there level or above, yeah....then it looks messy. Lack of stability always bring chaos

ES
gunsnewing
Posts: 55076
Alba Posts: 5
Joined: 2/24/2002
Member: #215
USA
11/12/2013  2:41 PM
My dream Knicks team would involve Kyrie Melo Shumpert THJ Tyler but that's all it is a dream
Wojo: Knicks 2015 plan is Carmelo/Kevin Love

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy