-Melo is not leaving or being traded. My only hope is that he doesnt bankrupt any chance of playing with a 2nd star in 2015
-artest isnt getting traded (it would be like acquiring him was a mistake)
-theres no way the cavs would make that deal cuz they have varejao who plays like tyson
-udrih and kmart arent worth a 2nd rd pick, or (or not and) d.stevenson or muscala
-I wouldnt trade shump or jr for turner

Nice thoughts but dolan and the organization doesnt think rationally. Here are my suggestions
-just resign melo and hope he doesnt bankrupt the team
-look to make trades for our expiring contracts to get at least some 2nd rd draft picks. Tyson can help a team next yr, try to squeeze out a draft pick
-develop timmy and shump and try to trade away JR while his stock is still high.
-keep an eye one the class of 2015. Ideally we need an elite pg to play with melo. Looks like kyrie will be available until 2016 though (http://www.hoopsworld.com/2015-nba-free-agents)

IronWillGiroud wrote:There are an infinite number of revamp scenarios. Melo still has HUGE VALUE!!! Huge value!! he's coming off one of his best seasons and the **** this year has not smeared him to the point where he is damaged goods.

But the reality is that there can't be a revamp here, this is just going to get worse before better, or it can just get worse and then kind of float around in bad stuff there until Dolan passes.

Our most effective revamp at this point is a head coaching change.

Players react well to coaching changes and a new coach would give them big energy for a nice spurt, maybe save our season. The key is to CHANGE COACHES TODAY!! DO NOT WAIT ANY LONGER, CHANGE COACHES, WOODY HAS NO FUTURE HERE THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL.

I agree. This roster does have flaws and players injured/working back from injuries- but by and large, they won 54 games last year. Clearly Kidd made a difference that is hard to see from personal stats alone- but with apparently no offensive plays being called or set up, this is a roster that years for Hubie Brown or Don Chaney! Who would think I would miss Hubie calling every single play to Daryl or Rory as they dribbled the ball up court.

I say yes the team is playing very bad and this is alarming, but at the same time it is 6 games into the season and as mentioned above, you just predicted them a championship season not so long ago. Somewhere in the middle lies the truth, and after letting the anger from yesterday go, I believe that patience is a good thing, for now (these are keywords, "for now"). Of course things are to improve quickly, but let's see in the next few games what will happen. Every team goes through bad/low times in every season, I prefer now that at the end of season, but I concur in the sense that it is unacceptable for the team to play like this any longer... I'm just not ready to throw the towel yet (6 games into the season and with a 2-4 record !!!)

misterearl wrote:Implausible. Except in Dreamland.

1. Carmelo Anthony to Sacremento for Ben Mclemore Isiah Thomas John Salmons Chuck Hayes a 2014 #1 restricted to 3

Really? After all the effort, Dolan approving a trade for Carmelo is admitting his mistake of gutting the roster. The entitled rarely apologize.

2. Metta World Peace to Portland for a lottery restricted 2014 pick and Earl Watson

Ron World Peace does not hold any such value. He is one step from retirement.

3. Tyson Chandler and Pablo P to Cleveland for Andrew Bynum and a top 10 protected number 2014 1 pick 2014 2nd rounder(Bynums salary next year is not guaranteed)

This is simply what it is... Crazy talk.

4 Beno Udirih and Kenyon Martin to Atlanta for a 2015 2nd rounder the rights to Muscala and D Stevenson

No reason on earn that Danny Ferry does this. Kenyon Martin is on his last legs. Beno is not coveted

Set up for a trade for Evan Turner and draft an additional PG and two bigs.

Briggs - Are you drunk?

No I actually thought out each one as a model.

1. Carmelo--Im not paying him 30mm--let a team desperate to find a second star to Demarcus Cousins pay him. Ill take a whole new backcourt and a juicy pick. Its a fair swap.

2.Ron Artest is averaging 11.5 points 4 rebounds 2 assits 2 steals 47% find me a better player for a team looking to find a cheap player who can help take their second unit to a whole different level. Metta is worth a n 18-22 pick.

3. Have you seen Andrew Bynum--dude is done Tyson Chandler still looks like an all star and his contract is fine for them--they swap out one for the other and pay up with picks.

4 Beno and Kenyon are worth a second orund pick to one of the 29 other teams Id bet it.

I liked Evan Turner to go one in his draft over John Wall--like other players it takes time to develop--now he is developing into an all star with efficient analytics.. Whats your modeled plan? Its easy to say boo youre an idiot this is dumb but present no plan yourself!

misterearl wrote:Implausible. Except in Dreamland.

1. Carmelo Anthony to Sacremento for Ben Mclemore Isiah Thomas John Salmons Chuck Hayes a 2014 #1 restricted to 3

Really? After all the effort, Dolan approving a trade for Carmelo is admitting his mistake of gutting the roster. The entitled rarely apologize.

2. Metta World Peace to Portland for a lottery restricted 2014 pick and Earl Watson

Ron World Peace does not hold any such value. He is one step from retirement.

3. Tyson Chandler and Pablo P to Cleveland for Andrew Bynum and a top 10 protected number 2014 1 pick 2014 2nd rounder(Bynums salary next year is not guaranteed)

This is simply what it is... Crazy talk. Why does Cleveland do this?

4 Beno Udirih and Kenyon Martin to Atlanta for a 2015 2nd rounder the rights to Muscala and D Stevenson

No reason on earn that Danny Ferry does this. Kenyon Martin is on his last legs. Beno is not coveted

Set up for a trade for Evan Turner and draft an additional PG and two bigs.

Briggs - Are you drunk?

We can call a hospital.

are you blind?

BRIGGS wrote:1. Carmelo Anthony to Sacremento for Ben Mclemore Isiah Thomas John Salmons Chuck Hayes a 2014 #1 restricted to 3

2. Metta World Peace to Portland for a lottery restricted 2014 pick and Earl Watson

3. Tyson Chandler and Pablo P to Cleveland for Andrew Bynum and a top 10 protected number 2014 1 pick 2014 2nd rounder(Bynums salary next year is not guaranteed)

4 Beno Udirih and Kenyon Martin to Atlanta for a 2015 2nd rounder the rights to Muscala and D Stevenson

Set up for a trade for Evan Turner and draft an additional PG and two bigs.

I like the trade scenarios, but Metta and first rounder protected not possible second rounder maybe that's about it.

misterearl wrote:RonRon - Walsh is gone.

Revising history is not an option

Nor are any of Briggs ridiculous trade proposals.

Do you have an idea that a negotiating partner from another franchise would agree to?

Or do you start by making the difficult INTERNAL decisions?

ie Medical amnesty for Stoudemire, move any player not functioning at 100 per cent physical capacity and immediately cutting Chris Smith, for starters.

You know what is RIDICULOUS

How about let your play do the talking and get us to the Eastern Conference Finals before and talking in the end of the season....

Melo talking about his next contract to opt out when we traded half a team for him, in which we are still paying for, and had to continue to overpay for talents because we were forced to once we had limited assets

We tried to built around him and made him the alpha so Melo can be the HERO that doesn't save the day, us getting lucky to let Lin drop to us and lose him for NOTHING

So he wanted that extra year so he can opt out, instead of just signing with us, and we would have the assets to actually build a team, around him, with the financial flexibility
Had he said, " I AM NOT SIGNING AN EXTENSION WITH ANYONE EXCEPT NY, we wouldn't have to trade half a team for him and DW would taken back all those garbage contracts with all the assets and expirings

Instead, Dolan comes in the middle of the trade discussion and believes Melo could be our savior and now he is going to get screwed by him AGAIN

Melo flourished with the same role Dantoni wanted him to play as a Knick but with much more talented players in TEAM USA
But we are unable to get those type of players because we overpaid for Melo's "security" so he can opt out of it
Melo was strictly a scorer that played OFF THE BALL in team USA, but in NY the glory that Lin had as he was trying to get W's, wanting others to play off him so he can get more stats to justify his contract instead of getting W's

His big black book, includes James Flight and Chris Smith, so he can get paid 30m a year and complain that there isn't enough talent around him, I am sick of the excuses...

RonRon wrote:trading earlier and admitting we made way too many mistakes since the deal for Melo, and retool with youth, assets, and CAP SPACE for 2015 FA class
The more we lose, the more lowballs we will get, unfortunately, we don't own this summer's draft pick...

in other words, Briggs does not see us stopping the bleeding with our lack of talent, and horrible coach with philosophies and lineups that don't work, but continues to be stubborn with it, lacking creativity and an actual system on both DEF and OFF

resigning Melo to a 20-30m contract will cost us another 10 years that he already cost us with the moves to get him, and the moves we were forced to overpay for since we were in "win now mode" with lack of flexibility and assets to offer

if we just let Walsh do his job, he would have just stayed patient, and sign players to trade, and collect/trade for assets, till the right deal came along which could have been

Cp3
Harden
D12

With no asset's and cap space, we have no shot at those players or future stars

Look at those players and what they were traded for, besides Ewing, NO OTHER TRADE is comparable, taking back 40-50m in salary for 1 player while rest are SCRUBs
Dolan couldn't resist the charm for Melo but now Melo is getting on his nerves talking about a contract while doing going as far as Gallo/Chandler and a FA that we could have signed with Curry's expiring could have got us the same result or better the past couple of years....

I don't understand why people think we had the assets to get CP3, Harden, or Dwight. Look at the players and major picks dealt in those deals. The only reason we got Melo was because he strong-armed his way here. Had he not done that and accepted a trade anywhere, he would have been traded to brooklyn for their package which appealed to Denver much more then our's. We had no high picks to trade, and while teams like Gallo and Chandler, they were not viewed as future stars by most teams.