With AB not understanding his role and positioning on the court, the knicks have look like a clumsy cluster fck team. For all the talk of AB spreading the floor, he some how manages to stay 12 to 13 feet from the basket, along with tyson in the paint, we have become a complete jump shooting team.

There were times we played Copeland at the 5, and it was hilarious watching teams bigs try and race out to stop him a from burring a 3, always arriving late. We all pictures AB doing the same, but it hasn't.

Woodson has been a more effective coach when he has less rotation players to work with.

Woodson has not played felton and amare together for more then a couple minutes, despite the chemistry the had in 2010.

THJ, has been ok at best, he brings energy and few highlight plays, but then you start to overlook his shooting % and his awful defense, as far as im concern, he's not ready for regular min, plus I would rather have a savvy beno take those minutes.

But the 2 main reasons were losing games, were either overly aggressive on defense (shump and melo) giving up 80 FTA in the last 2 games, or late as hell (amare THJ and barg) on our rotationn.

knicks1248 wrote:For all his done this yr (and he's look great) were still 1-3 with him in the line up. We look much better without tyson, and that just because of the system woodson tries to run

With AB not understanding his role and positioning on the court, the knicks have look like a clumsy cluster fck team. For all the talk of AB spreading the floor, he some how manages to stay 12 to 13 feet from the basket, along with tyson in the paint, we have become a complete jump shooting team.

There were times we played Copeland at the 5, and it was hilarious watching teams bigs try and race out to stop him a from burring a 3, always arriving late. We all pictures AB doing the same, but it hasn't.

Woodson has been a more effective coach when he has less rotation players to work with.

Woodson has not played felton and amare together for more then a couple minutes, despite the chemistry the had in 2010.

THJ, has been ok at best, he brings energy and few highlight plays, but then you start to overlook his shooting % and his awful defense, as far as im concern, he's not ready for regular min, plus I would rather have a savvy beno take those minutes.

But the 2 main reasons were losing games, were either overly aggressive on defense (shump and melo) giving up 80 FTA in the last 2 games, or late as hell (amare THJ and barg) on our rotationn.

Pretty much agree with everything you said there. Bargs has been a big disappointment, but not nearly as big as Woody. Dude doesn't seem to have a clue yet. Hope he gets one before it's too late

Rookie wrote:Looks like other teams are running a layup line. Our D sucks. Without Chandler, it's just going to get worse. We work hard for our points but other teams don't have to. Not a good recipe for a win now team

Time to go back to the only strategy that worked.....Give JR, Melo and Barbs the green like to jack up 3's all day. Thats going to be Woodson new strategy......

nixluva wrote:1st of all Bargnani isn't Novak and he isn't Copeland. I've been saying this all year that he's one of the leagues best PnP players and has a very good mid range game. He has always set a ton of picks and we haven't really focused on that style of play. If Woody wanted Bargs to stand out at the 3pt line just like Copeland or Novak then he'd have focused on that. Clearly he hasn't. I don't agree that this was the plan nor should it be.

Also the real issue isn't Bargs and his offense or defense. The real issue is that 2 of our top scorers form last year are shooting HORRIBLY so far. Also our 3rd best scorer from last year hasn't played a game yet. So basically the biggest part of the offense hasn't even been there yet so far.

              MIN	PPG    RPG    APG   FGA	  FG%	3P%
Melo    2012  37.0	28.7   6.9    2.6   22.2  .449	.379
        2013  42.0	23.8   9.5    3.0   22.3  .371	.300
Felton  2012  34.0	13.9   2.9    5.5   13.0  .427	.360
        2013  36.5	13.3   3.3    5.8   13.3  .396	.214
JR      2012  33.5	18.1   5.3    2.7   15.6  .422	.356

If Felton and Melo start shooting better that would go a long way toward fixing some of the problems. Then adding JR and developing some chemistry overall and this team should be back on track.

It's not just bargi, it's everyone, no ones patient and discipline , they either move too soon or too late. Ray and priggs are doing a poor job facilitating.

Maybe with tyson out, will see more PnP with bargi and Ray. Priggs was a PnR guru overseas, and Bargi is just the kind of big men priggs has played around for most of his career. (c'mon woody wake the fck up)

Keep melo up top, and sg and sf behind the baseline arc, Run you PnR game with bargi/ray..There going to respect barg's Mid range game a hell of lot more then Tyson..

CrushAlot wrote:Woodson and his team did handle adversity and change well last year. Maybe less options makes his job easier. Not sure what is up with not signing another big though. Chris got his money.

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Woodson and his team did handle adversity and change well last year. Maybe less options makes his job easier. Not sure what is up with not signing another big though. Chris got his money.

Not to be blunt, but the team last year had vets with a brain and a whole lot of pride.

This group of guys are questioning themselves and their fanbase after 4 games.

How about these guys play with a little bit of effort to start games?

Outside of the Bulls, their matchup hasnt been tough at all.

In the meantime, just use the components of what he had last year down the stretch....

Felton-Pablo-Shump-melo-K-mart

Then have some Beno with Haradway MWP a little of Amare and Cole.