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callmened
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11/6/2013  6:11 AM
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- we must start prigoni. Whether thats replacing ray or playing a 2 PG offense or slidingmmelo to the PF. Even though its a small sample size, when prigoni plays and melo plays PF, they are +34. Otherwise the team is -28. Prigoni helps with ball movement and defense. Ray doesnt play good perimeter defense anymore

- shumpert needs to stop fouling because the foul trouble takes him out of the game. Folks here were predicting he would be an all star. He needs to stay on the court and learn to create offense

- bargnani needs to come off the bench. You cant blame him for all the knicks problems. But they need defense and rebounding and he provides neither. The only reason hes scoring is cuz teams are comfy with him taking long 2s (the worst shot in bball because its not a 3 and its a low percentage 2. Its not far out enough to open up spacing)

- melo is a scorer who needs to keep shooting. People want him to be a more well rounded player (more passing), but thats not his game. He starts to become more "passive"

- sadly amare cant contribute. In order for him to be effective he needs minutes. But if he gets minutes, hell get hurt. He cant jump anymore. I got in trouble for saying this over the summer but sadly this is looking more like a reality I was hoping hed play 50games and avg 9ppg &5rebs. Others thought he would put up all star numbers. At this point, id bench him..when he omes in he messes up the chemistry

- gotta play kmart and artest more for their defense

- I love timmy but I cant wait til we replace him with JR. Hes a rookie and is too up and down, right now we dont need up and down

- lastly, one can argue that tyson is the most important person on this team. He anchors the defense and makes up for the lack of defense by others. He also has been rebounding like a beast. Im hoping his injury is just a day to day sprain. As a physician, I cant tell the extent of the injury. Based on the angle of the impact and the fact that he could barely walk on it, looks like a medial meniscus (like westbrook). I hope im soooo wrong

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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skeng
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11/6/2013  7:26 AM
Some good points there.. Although I wonder what everyone on the team truly thinks of Melo and his 1 point per shot offense. And as if he wasn't passive enough as is.

My recommendation, they freeze him out of the offense until he plays fundamental basketball. Dude's a totalitarian capitalist on offense. Share it ffs and if you can't then gtfo

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callmened
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11/6/2013  9:09 AM
Hes their best scoring option. They wont do that
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
NardDogNation
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11/6/2013  9:21 AM
callmened wrote:Hes their best scoring option. They wont do that

Agreed. I think the bigger problem is the fact that yet again, we have no one on the team that can be considered a legitimate scoring threat to detour attention away from Melo. If we can't acquire someone that fits this bill or get someone that can get Melo easier shots, then it might be best to blow things up.

blkexec
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11/6/2013  10:03 AM
NardDogNation wrote:
callmened wrote:Hes their best scoring option. They wont do that

Agreed. I think the bigger problem is the fact that yet again, we have no one on the team that can be considered a legitimate scoring threat to detour attention away from Melo. If we can't acquire someone that fits this bill or get someone that can get Melo easier shots, then it might be best to blow things up.

Every solid team has 3 or more scoring threats....Most teams have at least 2. We have 1..........

If you only have 1 scoring threat, then you have to build more defensive minded role players that can hit open jumpers, around Melo........Instead we have rhythm scorers who needs to touch the ball as much as Melo, to be affective.

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NardDogNation
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11/6/2013  10:17 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/6/2013  10:18 AM
blkexec wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
callmened wrote:Hes their best scoring option. They wont do that

Agreed. I think the bigger problem is the fact that yet again, we have no one on the team that can be considered a legitimate scoring threat to detour attention away from Melo. If we can't acquire someone that fits this bill or get someone that can get Melo easier shots, then it might be best to blow things up.

Every solid team has 3 or more scoring threats....Most teams have at least 2. We have 1..........

If you only have 1 scoring threat, then you have to build more defensive minded role players that can hit open jumpers, around Melo........Instead we have rhythm scorers who needs to touch the ball as much as Melo, to be affective.

...rhythm scorers that suck on defense. If Chandler isn't on the court, it's a virtual layup line. There just doesn't seem to be a rhyme or reason to our roster. What is our identity? Is there anything we do particularly well?

smackeddog
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11/6/2013  10:26 AM
Prigs hasn't looked good this season, from what I've seen- just seems like he's making stupid TO's this season.
gunsnewing
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11/6/2013  10:47 AM
Who would've thought 40yr old Kidd would have that much of a positive influence even when he couldn't hit a shot
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11/6/2013  10:57 AM
Personally, I think we kind of misused the preseason- it seemed more focused on resting guys and evaluating the 5 scrubs than it did establishing the main players. Injuries didn't help, but I think Woody over estimated the players ability to be ready by the time the regular season started.

Hopefully we get through this. Maybe Sunday is a chance to restore morale with JR cming back. Cling to the fact that Indiana started 3-6 last season...

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11/6/2013  10:59 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Who would've thought 40yr old Kidd would have that much of a positive influence even when he couldn't hit a shot

Leadership and Knowledge of the game. Knowing that you can impact a game without scoring but have your teammates happy is a selfless act. It's a shame Melo didn't observe this and it's even a bigger shame Woody didn't observe this.

blkexec
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11/6/2013  11:24 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Who would've thought 40yr old Kidd would have that much of a positive influence even when he couldn't hit a shot

Speaking from another 40 yr old that still plays.....Leadership is a very underrated basketball skill. Every coach (during their learning phase as in Woodson)needs a floor general with a high basketball IQ. Our GM, Woodson or Dollan did a terrible job building a coaching staff around Woodson. So not only is the players a mess....But the coaching staff do not compliment the coaching skills that Woodson needs to be a COMPLETE COACH.

For example, if you lose your veteran players, which made up of 90% of your BB IQ (Camby, Kidd, Wallace, Kurt, etc...) you have to (1) balance that out with veteran coaching IQ within your staff and (2)increase player IQ within your team by adding some high IQ vets / players. We did neither!.....The result? Frustration, which will continue to snow ball each game. Eventually this will lead to locker room issues, and a media shark eating frenzy, starting with Melo then MWP who the media knows they can always count on him to provide the non political answers.

There's too many issues to fix at one time. This is what happens when you try to cover up the initial needs (Defense / Rebounding) with wants (Offensive Players - Amari, Melo, JR, Bargs). Why you think Kmart, MWP and Pablo have a positive impact on the game? They provide what this team is lacking. It's just father time they have to battle everyday. But imagine if we have somebody with some brains, and brought in young defensive minded players from the beginning. They add in Melo and Co.....

I believe this all started with Mike Dantoni and his Offensive Phylosophy, when NY's culture was all about defense back in the 90's. Then Woodson comes along as the assistant with his Defensive Physolophy. On top of that, we had a GM that didn't provide either coach with the type of players they needed to succeed. The result? A COMPLETE MESS ON OFFENSE AND DEFENSE.....

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