martin wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nycisgreat wrote:Woodson and Melo cause us this game. No set plays. We need a two and Melo chunks a three. Why didn't Woodson put Barg in their to space the floor instead of Shump or Hardway.

why not put shump on rose and take felton out

Shump D has looked suspect so far. That is not a bad idea when Smith comes back. Right now Felton would have been stuck on Deng.

Looking at the replay the plan may have been for Shump to guard Rose but was picked then Felton had to switch on to him.

I haven't yet seen the last quarter but for me there is no reason Felton should have been on the court. Everyone knows Rose is getting the ball. Good to start Shump on him, but why then is Felton on the floor to guard Deng? Shouldn't the lineup be Tyson, Martin, Melo, Artest, Shump?

So this was my reply during Bulls game and I did finally catch the 4th quarter. Shump DID start off guarding Rose but got picked.... cause he had his head turned for no reason. It was a slow-developing play and Taj set a nice pick that was totally avoidable if Shump had been paying attention.

Poor passing and over-aggressive D that has been producing fouls or bad plays.

His shot has looked decent but he still has no idea how to finish at rim or dribble with a plan.

it's hard to get on him though because half the team doesn't even attempt to play D, atleast shump is trying, albeit, foolishly.

MSG3 wrote:The most obvious flaw in Shumps game so far is dribbling without any plan. Always gets us into trouble. He needs to commit to what he's doing the ball and go. His shot definitely has looked good though.

His shot looks great, every shot looks like it is going in on the release. His offensive game needs to consist of spotting up or catch and drive to the basket. He should not need to change directions or dribble for long, thats when he gets into trouble. Either catch and shoot or drive to finish and draw the foul.

gunsnewing wrote:

MSG3 wrote:The most obvious flaw in Shumps game so far is dribbling without any plan. Always gets us into trouble. He needs to commit to what he's doing the ball and go. His shot definitely has looked good though.

Yea it's bad. The problem is Felton needs to play alongside another playmaker and prigioni is the only option but hes small and old. Shump is still very raw but if we had a better playmaker at pg we'd get by and let Shumpert learn on the fly. I won't be surprised if we go back to Felton and prigioni backcourt. Personally I'd bench Felton and start prigs

The turnovers are killing them. They look clueless offensively without kidd

The turnovers are killing them. I agree we should be starting Prigs/Felton. Let Shumpert spot up for open jumpers. I said in another thread that I'm hopeful Woodson has a reason for not starting 2 PG's yet. Maybe when JR comes back he will. Udrih hasn't looked good so maybe he doesn't want to start Prigs/Felton and have to rely on Beno yet without JR to fall back on.

The reality is no coach can win with this roster

You play Bargnani and you are slow defensively and can't rebound
you play Artest and you don't have any offensive cohesion just pounding of the rock between Melo Artest and Raymond and you are small
You play prigs Felton and Shump and you are small at every position but center

Last option maybe be the best at least securing a playoff spot but Brooklyn Indy and Chicago will destroy us

gunsnewing wrote:People speculated that Kidd coached the offense last year and it's why we got off to a great start. Great ball movement and moving without the ball. This year Woodson is proving to is he is as clueless offensively as he was in Atlanta

The reality is no coach can win with this roster

You play Bargnani and you are slow defensively and can't rebound
you play Artest and you don't have any offensive cohesion just pounding of the rock between Melo Artest and Raymond and you are small
You play prigs Felton and Shump and you are small at every position but center

Last option maybe be the best at least securing a playoff spot but Brooklyn Indy and Chicago will destroy us

Lol Kidd can't even coach his own team against the lowly Magic.

The Knicks need to shop him around. Tim Hardaway Jr is on his level and in my opinion had a greater upside to be a starting calibur shooting guard. Toure Murry as well. Trade Shump now, start jr and use Toure and Tim as the back ups.

EnySpree wrote:I'm glad guys bright up Lance Stevenson because his development has been fantastic. Dude is a legit 2 guard in this league now. Shump is his peer and even though he's been hurt there hasn't been much evolution in his game. I'm starting to think the dude can't play. Yeah he can play defense, junk and shoot but he had no clue when to do either of these things. He needs more time and the Knicks are trying to win a championship.

The Knicks need to shop him around. Tim Hardaway Jr is on his level and in my opinion had a greater upside to be a starting calibur shooting guard. Toure Murry as well. Trade Shump now, start jr and use Toure and Tim as the back ups.

And this would be the thinking we want to avoid.... knicks are not close to a championship level team.. it is guys like shumpert we should be trying to develop.. let me ask you enyspree and lord knows I am very apprehensive about asking this... But do you honestly think the knicks are close to contending.. if you think shumpert is no better than THJ and I dissagree with that, what would you expect to get in return then?

tkf wrote:

EnySpree wrote:I'm glad guys bright up Lance Stevenson because his development has been fantastic. Dude is a legit 2 guard in this league now. Shump is his peer and even though he's been hurt there hasn't been much evolution in his game. I'm starting to think the dude can't play. Yeah he can play defense, junk and shoot but he had no clue when to do either of these things. He needs more time and the Knicks are trying to win a championship.

The Knicks need to shop him around. Tim Hardaway Jr is on his level and in my opinion had a greater upside to be a starting calibur shooting guard. Toure Murry as well. Trade Shump now, start jr and use Toure and Tim as the back ups.

And this would be the thinking we want to avoid.... knicks are not close to a championship level team.. it is guys like shumpert we should be trying to develop.. let me ask you enyspree and lord knows I am very apprehensive about asking this... But do you honestly think the knicks are close to contending.. if you think shumpert is no better than THJ and I dissagree with that, what would you expect to get in return then?

Shumpert has a ton of upside. He has very few weaknesses that can't be addressed with more experience. His jumper looks great and he will become a smarter defender. He has amazing physical gifts. You only trade him for a star, otherwise you develop him in hope that he will become an all-nba defender (which he is close to being) and a strong scorer, probably a 3rd option on a good team. His jumper shows he has that ability, it is his decision making and finishing ability that need work and will improve over time.