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SupremeCommander
Posts: 34064 Alba Posts: 35 Joined: 4/28/2006 Member: #1127 |
10/23/2013 7:51 AM
DLeethal wrote:
Lol Rick needs a safe space
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callmened
Posts: 24448 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/26/2012 Member: #4234 |
10/23/2013 9:46 AM
exactly...i agreed with it for the most part...if shump improves, then he takes us to the next level. theyre actually higher on bargs than i am.
watching dolan sing was funny (he actually wasnt that bad) Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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Erniecat
Posts: 20577 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/13/2005 Member: #851 |
10/23/2013 10:30 AM
I thought they were pretty much spot on. I really agree with not knowing how the lineups will work. Hopefully things fall into place quickly, but I just don't know what our best lineup is right now. And I agree about Woody being on a very short leash, though that may not be a horrible thing. I understand he has had great regular-season success here, but I look at the coaches of the top five teams in the East, and not sure how high I would rate Woody. No higher than 4th, and maybe 5th (depending on how Kidd does). I think this is the key.
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Finestrg
Posts: 27296 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/1/2006 Member: #1069 |
10/23/2013 10:32 AM LAST EDITED: 10/23/2013 11:12 AM
Good review. I like Bill Simmons. He does a good job -- knowledgeable and he keeps it lite and funny. I thought he did a good job on draft night -- I remember cracking up that Simmons and I were the only ones who wanted Isaiah Canaan. LOL.
Hey man, we have some question marks and these guys didn't sugar coat anything. Disagree with Simmons on 2 things though -- (1) Simmons said Artest was done "2 years ago." Well, Metta World Amnesty (hilarious) IS NOT done. He looks reenergized, playing real well this pre-season. Obviously still has plenty of game left and I've been impressed with his leadership. Might turn out to be the best get for us the entire offseason, even over Bargnani.. (2) Only going by the few pre-season games I've seen of him up close for us so far but I don't see much toughness outta Bargnani yet. Simmons saying he's got some moxie and doesn't play like your typical Euro. Well, we haven't seen that yet at all...He's big and skilled, he'll score the ball yes, I get that---but for Christ Sakes, play harder big fella!! He looks pretty soft so far--just keepin' it real..Esp. on the glass. Defense looks adequate (nothing more) but his rebounding (pursuing caroms, loose balls, etc.) is lacking big-time. It's a little scary because that's all effort. Very little to do with skill level...I'd actually like to see him play harder on offense too. Demand the ball, make his moves with much more conviction, attack the rim HARDER!!!! I dunno -- it's early but this could be an issue. Not writing him off by any means but come on man, we're just not seeing any of that at all.. Garden fans want toughness, energy and results. Hopefully, it'll come. Hopefully it's just pre-season and he's just feeling his way on a new team, pacing himself and not going 100% yet on purpose, etc.. I hope this guy's up for the challenge because this isn't Europe or Toronto man. If he plays this way during the season, forget it. The Garden fans will eat him for breakfast and Woody will have no choice but to sit him. On the positive side, he began to turn things around the other night after his 1-8 start but by that time, Woody pulled all the regulars and the game came down to a battle of bench players on both sides. Love to see a very tough, efficient/productive game outta Bargs tonight against the Bucks!! And an interesting point Jalen made when talking about where Melo's shot attempts are coming from -- Saying Melo doesn't take many corner 3s because he's not playing off a legit post player. Thinking about that -- LEGIT POST PLAYER -- that's the missing piece here. That's what this team is really lacking--we basically have everything else. Hopefully it can be Amar'e. When STAT returned the first time last year, he looked very good operating in close to me. That's where the bulk of his offense was coming from. Post moves, hook shots in close. Then unfortunately he got hurt again and wasn't the same player when he returned at the end. If we can get him back to the point where he was operating in close taking/making high % shots, we may have our guy.. If not, this offense won't be complete. That's the one element we're missing...It'd be nice for Bargnani to post up more and we'll probably see that, but he'll still be roving all over on offense -- that's where he's at his best. Bargnani isn't tough enough to plant himself down low and continually demand the rock and execute from down there anyway. It's just not his game. Doesn't even look like he's gonna give us much on the glass at all too. Amar'e could be that guy if it all works out for him health-wise. A lot of people have written off STAT. Hopefully he's not done because we could use him....Hey if not, that might be the piece we need to add later in the year -- a productive post-player, preferably with some size (6'10" or better). Maybe it turns out to be Jeremy Tyler.. |
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ChuckBuck
Posts: 28851 Alba Posts: 11 Joined: 1/3/2012 Member: #3806 USA |
10/23/2013 11:10 AM
I hate Bill Simmons with the power of 1000 suns.
Always has a Boston slant/anti-Knick point of view, well since he's a Boston Celtics fan. Sometimes he's funny, most of the time his schtick falls flat. |
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NardDogNation
Posts: 27405 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 5/7/2013 Member: #5555 |
10/23/2013 11:19 AM
They definitely brought up some interesting points e.g. Melo actually being an excellent midrange and 3 point shooter. I hate the fact that the Nets are ranked ahead of us though. I still feel that we are the better team. However, I do believe there are at least 8 other teams that have a better shot to win a title.
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Nalod
Posts: 71316 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
10/23/2013 11:59 AM
Funny stuff! I suppose if we watched all of them we'd find similar points/concerns.
I don't have a problem with anything they said. It will all be settled on the court in due time. |
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tkf
Posts: 36487 Alba Posts: 6 Joined: 8/13/2001 Member: #87 |
10/23/2013 12:17 PM
rofl@ Dolan singing!!
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
TKF
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Dagger
Posts: 22065 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/12/2012 Member: #4184 |
10/23/2013 1:29 PM
SupremeCommander wrote: I like that it's such a long video. 1f they really do 15 min per team that is 450 minutes of footage which is 7.5 hours, and that's assuming everything is in one take! I'm not a big fan of Simmons or Rose but I respect the amount of work that went into this, it's nice to have a long video with analysis only of the Knicks. As far as their points I thought most of them were fair. Simmons is always going to lowball the Knicks so the 46-36 didn't make an impression on me one way or another. |
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dk7th
Posts: 30006 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/14/2012 Member: #4228 USA |
10/23/2013 1:35 PM
tkf wrote:rofl@ Dolan singing!! it's hard to be both embarrassing and disgusting but he accomplishes the feat. knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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Dagger
Posts: 22065 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/12/2012 Member: #4184 |
10/23/2013 1:39 PM
tkf wrote:rofl@ Dolan singing!! I thought by now everyone had seen "Fix the Knicks" on YouTube! It's a classic. |
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tkf
Posts: 36487 Alba Posts: 6 Joined: 8/13/2001 Member: #87 |
10/23/2013 1:46 PM
dk7th wrote:tkf wrote:rofl@ Dolan singing!! hahaha. so true Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
TKF
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 39935 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
10/23/2013 5:47 PM LAST EDITED: 10/23/2013 7:38 PM
dk7th wrote:tkf wrote:rofl@ Dolan singing!! I thought Dolan sounded decent. I know it's hard to separate the owner from the entertainer,but he didn't sound bad. Maybe this will draw enough if his time away from the Knicks. As for Metta being done, he never was a natural fit for the triangle offense. Also, let's face it, everyone on that Laker's team not named Kobe looked done last year. Gasol, medium to well done. Nash, crispy to burnt. Howard, medium to well done...you have to take the situation into account. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
10/23/2013 6:45 PM
Thanks for posting it. I thought they were pretty fair. A little harsh on Amare. I agree with Jalen that he might play less than Bynum but I don't think it is because he already has a contract. I think he is just done. Also, for all the speculation about fitting guys into their line up the Knicks had three new guys in the starting line up last year, mix and matched all season and things worked out pretty well.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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knicks1248
Posts: 42059 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #582 |
10/23/2013 8:15 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Thanks for posting it. I thought they were pretty fair. A little harsh on Amare. I agree with Jalen that he might play less than Bynum but I don't think it is because he already has a contract. I think he is just done. Also, for all the speculation about fitting guys into their line up the Knicks had three new guys in the starting line up last year, mix and matched all season and things worked out pretty well. SMH on the bynum playing more then amare ES
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Nalod
Posts: 71316 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
10/23/2013 10:39 PM
How can one say Artest is not cooked? Its an opinion and the season has not started, and more importantly not finished.
Lets see how he holds up and his minutes. They think Bargnani can really do well with melo. Whats to hate about? They are not fans! Simmons is very open for his love of the Celts. Its not hidden agenda. Knicks don't have the best history of being credible either. The hate is justified. Last year they defied the predictions. Good for Knicks!!!! |