Tim's Positives
Great fastbreak finisher and passer.
Good 3 point shot
Clutch for a role player
good speed off the dribble
willing passer

Tim's Negatives
He is skinny and short for big shooting guards
Bad defensive instincts
Very streaky
Bad shot selection when given to much offensive responsibilities.
Will make some WTF type plays like off the mark passes and tough shots when he is defended well.

Shump has developed into a better player through the years and we must now do the same for Tim.

nixluva wrote:It's still early and young players need time to get fully comfortable at this level unless they're top flight talents and clearly if he was that level of talent he would've been drafter higher. My opinion is that he's a great fit for how we want to play. We need a catch and shoot SG that is actually comfortable doing that rather than always having to put the ball on the floor a few times before he can shoot. Nothing wrong with a kid that's a bit of a specialist at this point in his career. Better to actually have some NBA level skills even if they're limited.

Dude is probably still adjusting to the speed of the NBA in addition to all the info in his head about the plays and defensive rotations. No need to be overly judgmental about perceived weaknesses this early on. I think there's a lot to work with already with this kid. This is a good spot for him cuz he'll learn proper Defensive principles and has time to work on the rest of his game.

Bullock was there for the taking but Knick management wanted something they didn't need and needed something they didn't want (Bullock). LOL
With the other guard(s) out the last two games he has shot 3-16 and 4-16.

I am still shaking my head at the pick. He is a good player, has the intangibles, but Bullock was a dead eye shooter, more height and what we needed (just a shooter).
I think Hardaway will be much better with more talent around him though. Just painful to see this now. And I don't think this is a case of him adjusting, he was very inconsistent in college. He will be great as a 3pt shooter here and his driving is nice as well (great balance for a shooter to have) but I am still a bit upset at passing on Bullock. (Who has been injured, not badly, but all pre-season.)

smackeddog wrote:He hasn't played a single regular season game yet and it will take a long time and a lot of effort for him to improve his game. However he has the work ethic, he's open to being coached and he has a lot of smart former players trying to teach him so he stands a good chance. We just need some 3 point shooting and some dunks from him this year (he only has a small role)- focus on improving his defense during the season, and once he's got this solid role player base, we can start thinking about developing his mid range game.

I'm envisioning him in a role similar to that of Copeland last year. Woodie will not give him much run until he shows an improved defense. Come playoff time, let's hope that he has smoothed out a few bumps, picks up a few pointers from Hoopla and Dad, and becomes a usable rotation player with a slower trigger. I remember Shump leading the team in shots taken, looking off Melo and Amar'e.

StarksEwing1 wrote:If you exepect Hardaway to eb a star or even start in his rookie year then you probably will be disappointed. If he ends up being a decent rotation player who can score off the bench then it would be pretty good. I liked the draft pick. remember the 2013 draft class was pretty weak and we picked at 24 so you acnt expect a bigitime player at least right away

Yeah, retrospect Archie Goodwin, Ricky Ledo and Ray McCallum Jr are the only guys I might have wanted to take a chance on with that. But even if the Knicks did take those guys, we're still talking a number of years before they become bonafide contributors. I consider the past two games THJ's summer league warmup, since he missed the actual summer league due to injury. It's a time for him to figure what he's ready to do on the court and what he needs to work on. I'm sure the coaching staff will give him clear directions on what shots he should take and where he needs to be on the floor. Very few rookie guards are ready to contribute on defense off the bat, Shump being one of the few exceptions. Look at Lillard. He was constantly being abused. The D will come in time for THJ, hopefully.

tj23 wrote:I didn't like this pick from the start. Your role players today need to be able to defend and stretch the floor. Unless you are a superb scorer that can create it doesn't work out. Tim couldn't defend in college and he was a streaky offensive player. We have a lot of talent though and he'll fit right in with our awful defense. I just hope he can show some consistency with his shot. We might rely on him at some point with all our streaky guards. But he'll probably sit out a lot ala Copeland.

I am guessing you did not like the Shump pick either then.

BRIGGS wrote:The pick is fine--hes a guy who can help and get better---he can help us be more explosive right now. This really wasnt meant to be a bash--he just needs to work on other aspects of the game.

Good thread Briggs.

Hardaway can knockdown the three and isn't afraid to play. His skill level right now translates into a solid role player. With JR Smith starting which I believe he should, Tim hardaway at 15 mins per is an asset of the bench.

If anything we should be really looking at what we can get for Shump. We have 3 quality point guards in the mix too if we wanted to use that option off the bench. Shump should be shopped