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Dont need JR Smith to play 38 minutes and take 16 shots anymore
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10/10/2013  2:51 PM
This team has diversified radically on the offensive end. We have a LOT of firepower that will allow for a nice distribution of offense. Last year we needed to rely on both Carmelo and JR(which eventually killed us). We just need effective contribution in limited minutes from JR and we have the depth to allow him the time to fully heal rather than bringing him back even a day early. This will be tough for Woody. Looking at Tim JR Ron Artest and Shumpert--JR is going to need to play good team ball or he may not play much.
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10/10/2013  3:05 PM
BRIGGS wrote:This team has diversified radically on the offensive end. We have a LOT of firepower that will allow for a nice distribution of offense. Last year we needed to rely on both Carmelo and JR(which eventually killed us). We just need effective contribution in limited minutes from JR and we have the depth to allow him the time to fully heal rather than bringing him back even a day early. This will be tough for Woody. Looking at Tim JR Ron Artest and Shumpert--JR is going to need to play good team ball or he may not play much.

From your mouth to Woody's ears. This is all contingent on the other guys providing the kind of scoring they showed last night in the pre season opener. JR needs to defend, take open spot up shots and continue driving to the hole like he did the last month of the season last year. To worry about JR is to give Woody a pass for playing him too many minutes. There were times last year he didn't have a choice because of injuries, but this year Woodson really needs to control JR.

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10/10/2013  3:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/10/2013  3:11 PM
Yea we don't need JR at all. Only if Shumpert or THJ get hurt. But you know he will have a huge role if for anything else because he was promised a huge role or even starting SG after signing for less. And he plays Golf with Dolan. My worst fear is JR returning

I still wish we never resigned him even at a discount. He will only disrupt team chemistry and stunt Shumpert and THJ's development

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10/10/2013  3:19 PM
I think people are looking at the Shump/JR starting thing backwards. I think they want JR to go back to his role playing days so they start him to take the pressure of scoring and ball handling away. They are looking to free up Shump and have him be the scorer/secondary ball handler and defender.
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10/10/2013  3:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/10/2013  3:28 PM
or carry the KNicks like he did with Melo was hurt. What an awesome thread smh

For some reason JR gets no love. JKidd can beat his wife, crach his car during a very serious DWI and is a danger to the public but, we can accept him with open arms. JR is hated because he got caught smoking weed. Something very wrong with this picture.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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10/10/2013  3:29 PM
DurzoBlint wrote:or carry the KNicks like he did with Melo was hurt. What an awesome thread smh

For some reason JR gets no love. JKidd can beat his wife, crach his car during a very serious DWI and is a danger to the public but, we can accept him with open arms. JR is hated because he got caught smoking weed. Something very wrong with this picture.

well, no,

i don't think he's hated first of all,

but he did snort us out of the playoffs, he threw an elbow that killed all our good feelings and momentum and this elbow was, through some cosmic connection, responsible for our failure against indy,

he deflated us and failed us when we needed him most,

we have every right to be less than pleased with this joker

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10/10/2013  3:31 PM
you shouldn't play playoffs games after a night of doing lines and boozing with hookers,

because there is a danger that you will fly off the cufflinks the next day

The Will, check out the Official Home of Will's GameDay Art: http://tinyurl.com/thewillgameday
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10/10/2013  3:31 PM
need i remind you of the fan art that popped up after playoffs?

look at what this artist thought about our season:

The Will, check out the Official Home of Will's GameDay Art: http://tinyurl.com/thewillgameday
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10/10/2013  3:32 PM
IronWillGiroud wrote:need i remind you of the fan art that popped up after playoffs?

look at what this artist thought about our season:

Hey IWG, we don't need to see your tabletop okay!

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10/10/2013  3:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/10/2013  3:50 PM
Just my 2 cents on JR -

To surmise recent history -- this dude played incredibly poor for us in the playoffs, threw the elbow at Jason Terry, was caught out in public drunk/out of his mind on nights before big playoffs games (rumors were out there that heavy drugs were involved) then entered FA where no one made a substantial offer to him as far as we know (the Clippers, Bucks and maybe PHX may have expressed some degree of interest at one point or another but NO ONE ever made a concrete offer as far as I know -- we would've heard about it and I think this guy would've taken it too). 2 years in a row too btw that he failed to get any other substantial offers in FA beside what NY offered him...Then on top of that -- by his own admission he chose not to reveal the fact that he had a serious knee problem until after he signed a contract. That's nuts and pretty irresponsible when you think about it. I'm sure that stuff like this happens all the time but this is the first time I've ever heard the player come out and gloat/laugh about it after he signed a deal, like he put one over on everybody. I mean if that's what really happened, keep it to yourself! Nobody needs to hear that.. That's a strategy that should've been kept private between JR & his agent -- I couldn't believe he went public with that. Makes him look like a ******* if you ask me...I mean did that include the Knicks? Not too much has been made about this but I have my doubts that the Knicks even knew he had a knee issue (severe enough to require surgery anyway) until after they resigned him. I'm sure there was a physical involved during the process before the Knicks did anything, but still -- I don't care for how he came off here one bit...Then he goes and gets himself suspended for 5 games for violating the drug policy for a THIRD time..

Point of all this being -- he's embarrassed this organization pretty bad here, yet still got rewarded. Set up for life in fact -- his entire family...That should be enough for him for now. The rest he's gotta earn back again in a big way. PT, shots, a regular rotation role -- the whole 9. I couldn't believe my eyes & my ears when I saw Woody hinting around that he may be the starting 2G. That's INSANE. Only makes even a shred of sense if it was intended to motivate Iman -- otherwise, if Woody really feels that way, he's nuts...This guy is in no position to (1) become the automatic starting SG -- he won't be around for the start anyway -- Shump should continue to start and it's his job to lose...There's no way that JR Smith, with all the crap that he's pulled, should automatically take that away from him as soon as he's ready to play--no way and (2) he's in no position to demand that his brother Chris make this team. That just can't happen. Hopefully this little mystery is put to bed soon. Chris Smith should be waived asap. Bye-bye..

When he returns 100% or close to it, I want him right where he was last year -- coming off the bench supplying additional firepower. If he's got a problem with that, tough ****. Dude's lucky our coach & mgmt. like him so much and gave him that big payday. Now it's up to him to prove himself all over again as far as I'm concerned. You don't pull the nonsense he did and then have things handed to you on a silver platter. He's lucky we even decide to bring him back -- he could've been back in China right now for a fraction of what we gave him if we didn't decide to bring him back. Nobody else really wanted to touch this guy with a 10-foot pole during FA from what I remember.

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10/10/2013  3:33 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:need i remind you of the fan art that popped up after playoffs?

look at what this artist thought about our season:

Hey IWG, we don't need to see your tabletop okay!


The Will, check out the Official Home of Will's GameDay Art: http://tinyurl.com/thewillgameday
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10/10/2013  3:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/10/2013  3:37 PM
IronWillGiroud wrote:you shouldn't play playoffs games after a night of doing lines and boozing with hookers,

because there is a danger that you will fly off the cufflinks the next day

true, but its not like its a rare thing. You can find ghetty images of players doing this ALL THE TIME. I would love to know how many games we won because visiting teams hit the city the night before. And the elbow...dude was wacking him in the ribs over and over while the ref just stood there. Sure, it wasn't bad but we weren't beating Indiana even at his best.

And to say he isn't hated, the go back and read the posts in the thread and others concerning JR. The HATE is obvious. Guys want him gone like he wasn't a major part in our record. Hell, he was more effective and a better player than the Shump we all love last season. His defense is nearly as good and he is a better passer and rebounder. JR has A lot to offer this team but, Knick fans many so called Knicks fans have an inability to appreciate the players for who they are, instead they HATE THEM FOR WHO OR WHAT they are not.

JR did a hell of a lot of good for us but so called fans only remember the negative aspects.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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10/10/2013  3:38 PM
Finestrg, from your mouth to gods ears
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10/10/2013  3:42 PM
DurzoBlint wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:you shouldn't play playoffs games after a night of doing lines and boozing with hookers,

because there is a danger that you will fly off the cufflinks the next day

true, but its not like its a rare thing. You can find ghetty images of players doing this ALL THE TIME. I would love to know how many games we won because visiting teams hit the city the night before. And the elbow...dude was wacking him in the ribs over and over while the ref just stood there. Sure, it wasn't bad but we weren't beating Indiana even at his best.

And to say he isn't hated, the go back and read the posts in the thread and others concerning JR. The HATE is obvious. Guys want him gone like he wasn't a major part in our record. Hell, he was more effective and a better player than the Shump we all love last season. His defense is nearly as good and he is a better passer and rebounder. JR has A lot to offer this team but, Knick fans many so called Knicks fans have an inability to appreciate the players for who they are, instead they HATE THEM FOR WHO OR WHAT they are not.

JR did a hell of a lot of good for us but so called fans only remember the negative aspects.

Like Briggs said we were extremely thin in talent last year. We heavily relied on him. This year is different he should be kept as far away from the team as possible and the Knicks should look at trading his contract. If not sit him and only use him if Shump or THJ get hurt or if THJ struggles defensively as a rookie

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10/10/2013  4:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/10/2013  4:09 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Finestrg, from your mouth to gods ears

I mean think about it -- with all the **** this guy pulled, he gets rewarded with a $25mm deal. That's as far as we should go for now -- enough with pulling out the red carpet and giving this guy anything he wants...No concessions as in starting SG, amount of shots, my brother makes the team, etc.. He still has a spot on this team but he's gonna have to earn it as soon as he gets back. And under no circumstances does he take away a starting spot from a kid like Shumpert, the starting SG from last year (Shump's done NOTHING to lose his spot btw) who's shown nothing but maturity & significant progress and growth. Plus, it's obvious that JR's game just fits the sixth man role best on this team anyway. When he's ready all I wanna hear outta this guy is, 'I'm down with whatever role coach wants to us me in.' I don't want to hear anything disruptive. I'm still really down on this guy, man.

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10/11/2013  7:21 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:you shouldn't play playoffs games after a night of doing lines and boozing with hookers,

because there is a danger that you will fly off the cufflinks the next day

true, but its not like its a rare thing. You can find ghetty images of players doing this ALL THE TIME. I would love to know how many games we won because visiting teams hit the city the night before. And the elbow...dude was wacking him in the ribs over and over while the ref just stood there. Sure, it wasn't bad but we weren't beating Indiana even at his best.

And to say he isn't hated, the go back and read the posts in the thread and others concerning JR. The HATE is obvious. Guys want him gone like he wasn't a major part in our record. Hell, he was more effective and a better player than the Shump we all love last season. His defense is nearly as good and he is a better passer and rebounder. JR has A lot to offer this team but, Knick fans many so called Knicks fans have an inability to appreciate the players for who they are, instead they HATE THEM FOR WHO OR WHAT they are not.

JR did a hell of a lot of good for us but so called fans only remember the negative aspects.

Like Briggs said we were extremely thin in talent last year. We heavily relied on him. This year is different he should be kept as far away from the team as possible and the Knicks should look at trading his contract. If not sit him and only use him if Shump or THJ get hurt or if THJ struggles defensively as a rookie

nice way of sticking to the company line while ignoring the points made against it.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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10/11/2013  8:58 AM
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/sports/2012/11/6547677/knicks-stay-undefeated-thanks-shockingly-large-part-jr-smith

I welcome back JR with open arms (warts and all)

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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10/11/2013  9:05 AM
BRIGGS wrote:This team has diversified radically on the offensive end. We have a LOT of firepower that will allow for a nice distribution of offense. Last year we needed to rely on both Carmelo and JR(which eventually killed us). We just need effective contribution in limited minutes from JR and we have the depth to allow him the time to fully heal rather than bringing him back even a day early. This will be tough for Woody. Looking at Tim JR Ron Artest and Shumpert--JR is going to need to play good team ball or he may not play much.

Preach!

We needed JR to produce out of necessity.

Hopefully Woodson realizes what he has in this roster and doesn't rely on this knucklehead.

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10/11/2013  9:26 AM
DurzoBlint wrote:http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/sports/2012/11/6547677/knicks-stay-undefeated-thanks-shockingly-large-part-jr-smith

I welcome back JR with open arms (warts and all)

I hated the signing when JR first came here. I re-iterated over and over that we didn't need a whacko messing with our brainiac back court. You can spin how that turned out that any way you want, but the results from that old situation don't lie.

His play on the court changed all that. Threads like these are so schizo. You have people talking about how he carried us when melo was out, was all we had on an extremely thin, old, injured team,

but

he's an a-hole now because he got $25 mil, he threw an elbow, playoffed like sheehit, and got caught partying like any young idiot with millions of dollars. He still didn't shoot 12% from the field for two months.

I'm sure none of all the exemplary citizens posting JR hate here make bad choices. Ever. You'd be tucked in bed everynight during a playoff run in your jammies by 8:30pm, after watching tape for hours, right? Sure you would. Preach it!

I thought JR would be nothing but a back page machine and would be locker room cancer and be gone in a year. He's had his issues, but he's delivered better than what's being ranted about here.

Sheesh.

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10/11/2013  10:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/11/2013  10:59 AM
jrodmc wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/sports/2012/11/6547677/knicks-stay-undefeated-thanks-shockingly-large-part-jr-smith

I welcome back JR with open arms (warts and all)

I hated the signing when JR first came here. I re-iterated over and over that we didn't need a whacko messing with our brainiac back court. You can spin how that turned out that any way you want, but the results from that old situation don't lie.

His play on the court changed all that. Threads like these are so schizo. You have people talking about how he carried us when melo was out, was all we had on an extremely thin, old, injured team,

but

he's an a-hole now because he got $25 mil, he threw an elbow, playoffed like sheehit, and got caught partying like any young idiot with millions of dollars. He still didn't shoot 12% from the field for two months.

I'm sure none of all the exemplary citizens posting JR hate here make bad choices. Ever. You'd be tucked in bed everynight during a playoff run in your jammies by 8:30pm, after watching tape for hours, right? Sure you would. Preach it!

I thought JR would be nothing but a back page machine and would be locker room cancer and be gone in a year. He's had his issues, but he's delivered better than what's being ranted about here.

Sheesh.

Hey man, you wanna take the high road on this guy, great. Take it, by all means. You're entitled to your opinion...Me -- I'm down on him for reasons stated. All legit reasons. If he shows up and played up to his capabilities, we may have beaten the Pacers. Unlike you, I really liked the signing when we originally got him -- he's talented and even though I didn't really want him back for $25m, I understand why we did it (we we're in a position to offer such a deal even being over the cap -- so it was basically a 'use it or lose it' opportunity to keep a talented player). I acknowledge he's still very talented and that he still has a role on this team once he's ready (I'd like it to be THE EXACT same role he had last year btw -- coming off the bench as the 6th man. I think that's where his game fits best--not in the starting unit, jacking up shots all over the joint and taking attempts away from Melo and esp. AB at the beginning of the game). I will continue to root like heck for him too once he's back, make no mistake about that...Everything I said about him is fact however, not my opinion, not something up for debate or interpretation....FACT! He let this organization down, man, point blank. Just a lot of crazy protagonism shown towards this guy that I don't think he deserves. You can argue that the way he played, he didn't even deserve the contract he got (a lot of teams would've let him walk after the way he played---and like I said, there wasn't one team out there that had a concrete offer on the table to compete with ours--what does that tell ya?); doesn't deserve to start and take the job away from Shumpert (I'm disappointed Woody's even talking that way, like it was already discussed--I mean the guy's hurt--who even knows if he informed the Knicks of the severity of the knee before he signed--AND he got himself suspended for 5 games. How the hell is Woody talking about starting him?!?); doesn't deserve to negotiate his brother onto the team--a guy who's nowhere near NBA material, etc.). He's not Michael Jordan -- enough already with the concessions. He got paid a handsome contract. Go out there now, be humble, be a team player, don't demand a thing or come off like the Knicks owe you anything, and do whatever it takes to help this team win games. What do you want me to tell ya? That's it. That's all I wanna see.

And I never said he's an a-hole simply because he got paid. I said he's an a-hole because I heard him say in an interview that he made it a point not to address the full extent of his knee issue until after he signed a contract. And since, to my knowledge, no other team out there offered him a deal except us (2 off-seasons in a row mind you), it makes me think that he very well could've went the non-disclosure route with the Knicks, a team that's done nothing but cater to his ever whim. Just didn't sound right at all when I heard him talk like that, and he did it with a little smirk on his face too from what I remember, like he got over. I've never heard another professional athlete say such things after signing a big money deal...I mean it makes the team look bad...Bottom line -- this guy did what he had to do -- he knew damn well that after the stink-job he had in the playoffs, that no team would want him at big money, esp. if everyone knew HE ALSO needed knee surgery. Hopefully the Knicks knew about it before they inked him up. They're not stupid -- I'm sure they did. But the way he came off -- it makes me think they may not have and that he got over. Something about this feels wrong to me, sorry.

Dont need JR Smith to play 38 minutes and take 16 shots anymore

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