BigSm00th
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Joined: 12/9/2001
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The Knicks will never be under the cap, so why do you keep talking is if there is a chance they might. Before the Marbury trade, after the Marbury trade, there was NO WAY this team was getting under the cap. Houston, Anderson, Eisley, Weatherspoon, Van Horn; now instead of that we have Houston, Anderson, Penny, Marbury, Thomas. So enough with the talk of "Well maybe we could've gotten under the cap and then sign some quality free agents..." give me a break.
This talk about Miami is really absurd. Anthony Carter's agent (fishmike mentioned this) forgot to fill out necessary paperwork, he got cut, they had enough room for Odom. Without Odom, no playoffs. Butler has been terrible this year, the one shining piece on that team is Wade (minus Odom). They got him in the lottery. Where you can say Miami went a radically different route is beyond me. They lost more games than the Knicks did last year and got a better pick, and took a better player. They still have some bad contracts (Grant, Jones) on that team holding them back, and they basically fell to their position via good good good luck.
"he had some real good players in pheonix and all they could do is get an eigth seed and were way under .500 this year hes played with KG K Mart et al and he ahsnt won."
This is absurdly wrong. Kidd's better than Marbury, OK. Garnett's never won a playoff series, so you implying that since Marbury left KG has had great success is ridiculous. The last year Marbury was on the Nets was Martin's rookie year. He got hurt with around 20 games left. Kerry Kittles played ZERO games that year, and they didn't have Todd MacCulloch. So THAT is a moot point because you're comparing Kidd with Martin (2nd year), Kittles, and MacCulloch (and now Richard Jefferson) vs Kidd with a rookie Kenyon Martin. How is that a level comparison.
Isiah gave up too much to get Marbury, no doubt. Two first rounders and Lampe was a lot. I don't care about Vujanic. OK, that's beside the point. And though you always ignore this Briggs, you don't know what Colangelo was being offered. Several teams later made trades involving expiring contracts, theres a chance he was offered another deal and Isiah had to up the ante. Did he up it too much, yes, but that's what happens when you gamble.
How you don't like the foundation is beyond me. Sweetney has shown he can play. Marbury, its obvious, he just has nothing around him. DerMarr Johnson has shown he can play, and the fact that he isn't playing falls on the coach, not the organization or Dolan or Thomas. Frank Williams can play.
It's already been reported the Knicks might get Eddy Curry, that Jamal Crawford wants to play here, that Rasheed Wallace loves New York, etc. Perception, thats what Isiah has changed.
I agree too that they did things too fast. But you are hypocritical in that you say the Knicks did things too fast when you are judging them too fast. What if Isiah turns Nazr, Kurt, Frank, and Othella into Eddy Curry, Jamal Crawford, and Flip Murray. Young, athletic, talented players can be had without drafting.
For all your talk about rebuilding, I'd think you'd love the Bulls. They've rebuilt for, what is it, 5 years now?
You've judged Isiah on not even 6 months of work. Give him an offseason, give him another regular season. He obviously knows what hes doing. He's going out and getting the young, athletic players you'd like to see.
Nobody is saying with Houston and Tim Thomas the Knicks are winning an NBA Championship. What people are saying is a healthy Houston and Thomas give the Nets a run for their money, that they wouldn't be getting shelled like this.
Give it time, I know you'll come back and start telling me to take off my rose colored glasses but I think you need to stop pissing on your own Cheerios. If the Knicks got Kobe in the offseason and lost on a last second shot next year in game 7 you'd rant about how they need to rebuild (obviously that's not going to happen, its just an example). You've given Isiah 5 months to turn the franchise around.
AND FOR ALL those people defending Layden, man o man. He was rebuilding? Is this a joke? I seriously can't believe what I read sometimes. Becuase Majiec Lampe fell into his lap in round 2 and he had a disgruntled PG who is supposedly good in Europe who refused to sign with them he had plans in piece to rebuild? Give me a break.
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